Christian Communists: The political party of the future!

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We know from the CNN polls, and from posts like the recent one from NeantHumain in "Who should be the next President of the United States?", that liberals tend to think that the only "real issues" are the economic ones. On the other hand, conservatives tend to vote based on social issues, even if it goes against their financial self-interest.

Therefore, if there were a candidate who was pro-labor and pro-socialized health care but also pro-life and anti-gay marriage, they would win in a landslide.

Right?

long live the peopes revolution!

BS. I'm liberal and I feel social issues outweigh economic ones.

i prefer the anti-authoritarian, humanitarian persona, long live Lenin and the red bolsheviks.
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I find this just unbelievable that, after communists murdered millions of people, and brought humiliation and poverty upon more than a billion, there are still some who see communism as a good idea that deserves praise. I find such opinions immoral, offensive and very harmful. By praising communism you help murderers commit their crimes. Please note that my hate toward communism is not caused by any propaganda, but by a personal experience. Thank you.

Lol, these are people who think the only evils of the world are corporations and George W Bush. Outside of this country it'a a candyland full of haerts, smiles, and evil U.S. militia coming to destroy every last happy peaceful little civilization out there for oil (I'll admit, I am dishing out a heavy dose of sarcasm there).

When your sense of reality is that much of a farse, is that that surprising that one can be pro-communism and think that's all peaches and cream as well? I think the biggest evil of this world is human emotional weakness - when people pick and choose facts based on what fits the image of the world that they're willing to see (if they're too frail for it or "can't handle the truth" then they won't). It's because of those facts that the people who really do take responsibility and protect their right to be canyasses (let alone breath) get hated by them, spit on, and seen as these big bad meanies. When queues for irresonsibility and victimhood make front page and when calls for action and responsibility get back page in the newspapers, it's pretty obvious why our country is so messed up.

IMO if that trend continues te U.S. and Western Europe will crumble from within, Africa and some of the other 3rd world countries who were startving for healthy governments and democracy will be the new US's (well, I'll give them untill people start being born into prosperity and freedom - they'll start thinking stupid thoughts just like we are over here), and the middle east will probably get itself up there as well if it can get itself out from under the yoke of religious extremism. On our side of the fense, we've gotten so OCD about every fine subliminal detail of who ay or may not get offensed by things that we're becomming ineffective as a nation (especially when they won't replace religious education with some kind of secular ethics - society NEEDS values to function, with or without a god). Don't try to tell a liberal these things though - they'd be offended.

Then again what do I know? That's just my redeck neo-con opinion.

Stalin is actually considered by many not to be a communist. No other form of government has industrialised a country quicker then communism. By the way, Hitler was a rightwing capitalist.
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No, they're not the only evils in the world (Islamic extremism runs them pretty damn close in the dangerous looney stakes), just the main ones... [sarcasm detection disengaged]I'm glad to see you're coming 'round to a more reasonable opinion of the world anyway. [/sarcasm detection reengaged]



Who's trying to say that the US system is worse than everybody else's anyway? I never have...... I'd rather live in the US than most other countries you care to mention - that's not the point. The thing that bugs me about the US political system is that you have a quasi-dictatorship that stifles any attempts at democracy within it as effectively and voraciously as anything the Soviets ever came up with, and yet preach to the rest of us how incredible your "democracy" is, and how the rest of the world should cower gratefully in its pervading glow of freedom-instilling light...... Saying that your poltical system stinks in no way suggests that "communism"* is better - its a lot worse..... What's that got to do with anything?

* I say "communism" because no attempt at actual communism has ever approached real communism - Communism relies on human nature to work properly, so you've got no prayer of ever making it do so..... [damn cynicism circuits won't switch off.....]

Lenin was anti-authoritarian?

Then why did Hitler implement so many socialist programs?

Everyone knows Libertarianism is the party of the future!

Stifles any attempts of democracy within it? Unless your buying some of those 'Dibolt and Jed Bush rigged the 04' election' type theories, I'm lost. We're an extremely pluralistic society where our greatest restraints come from our own special interests. As far as being quasi-sictorial, again, I don't know what you mean by that in the sense of the U.S.

As for freedom, we like it but at the same time it's about the only emotional antidote we can use when we are being attacked by elements of countries who either can't control themselves (ie shell states such as the Sudan) or countries where we cannot attain remedies and/or cooperation from the countries rulers in taking care of the root causes of the problem. Every country on the axis of evil has 2 things in common; 1) they are harbouring and propagating terrorism, and 2). the country's governments can be concluded by a reasonable person to be obstructing our ability to defend our safety by either refusing to take action against these groups, by refusing to aknowledge the problem, or by actively supporting these groups. To me that doesn't sound like us trying to dominate the world, that sounds like a push for justice in a situation where we have a very realistic threat to our national security. Just look at Libya - if a country promises to clean itself up then it's not really a problem.



It NEVER WILL happen, not because of the U.S> but because of human nature and the fact that it's only as viable as the weakest link. It has too few checks and balaces, the homogenieity it calls for rebels against human nature (which is inately very heirarchical and can be ruthlessly greedy), and the most important thing; someone like Stalin WILL always kill their way to the top and run it into the ground as a tyrant. Communism would take a system of saints with all pure intentions which even just one crafty power-lusting sociopath could turn into a living hell for all of the millions who live under it. Anything that unnatural and fragile won't stand the test of time against human nature, history has proven that over and over

Good points, cornince. Lenin started the Bolshevik party after his brother was hanged without trial on campus for plotting to kill Alexander II. He then had no respect for anybody above him. He is considered to be one of the greatest Russian leaders. After he was assassinated, he wished to put Trotsky, a humanitarian in charge. Stalin had him killed so that he could take office.
Hitler instated a social-democratic government which is truly right winged but with some socialist ideas. He only used this to keep the economy up so that people would not lose hope in his regime. Altough he had this going, things were still run by the state and not the community, which is in fact capitalism. As long as things looked good government-wise, he could procede with his secretive ethnic cleansing.
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Lenin wrote a book called "State and Revolution" speaking out against anarchy. I was refering to him purely as a revolutionary. Just clearing a possible mixup.
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I'll precis what I've already said several times on these inestimable pages:

You have in effect a one party system - You have 2 parties that are practically identical far-right parties - no other party or belief system is allowed by your political system or media - only very wealthy, big interest backed people are allowed into positions of power - most people in the States have nobody to vote for, and aren't allowed to vote for anybody who might represent them, so don't bother to do so - yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah.....



That's exactly what I said matey - communism don't work in the real world because it relies on human nature which is generally pretty shoddy, and so communism ends up pretty shoddy.

Ok, I guess I can agree with all of that, except for one thing;

Our democratic party is far right? I really don't know about that one. Unless you consider real neutral leftism as Amsterdam or Ibiza, I really don't know how it is your drawing your conclusions on that.