Trump is Trying to Shut Down the Internet

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18 Sep 2017, 11:42 am

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And just what news source is supposedly better and more trustworthy than CNN?

the ones I use


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18 Sep 2017, 11:46 am

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.. The Communist News Networks reference has been around long before President Trump decided to run for office... It's more common among former military, a good portion of my client base.
I'm related to current and past military personnel; that and Clinton/Clinton's News Network have been used for decades.


"Communist News Network" makes no sense whatsoever. They would scare away their corporate sponsors if they promoted any from of socialism.

"Clinton News Network" is 100% accurate though. CNN was part of the anti-Bernie mob. Thus, they are largely responsible for Trump's victory. That's the real reason why they are despicable.


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18 Sep 2017, 11:55 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And just what news source is supposedly better and more trustworthy than CNN?

the ones I use


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18 Sep 2017, 4:11 pm

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"Communist News Network" makes no sense whatsoever. They would scare away their corporate sponsors if they promoted any from of socialism.

Here lies the problem
I'm not sure if "Jim Lehrer's news hour" is still around but that struck me as impartial and content not subject to commercial sponsor's wishes but I think even they were careful to "tow the line"

Al Jazeera or BBC is a good source of news on the US and EU as it's impartial but both are impacted by the long arm of US foreign policy. Huff post and the Guardian are a good read as they tend to stick it up Washington and London



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18 Sep 2017, 4:36 pm

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Unfortunately, there are still some liberals who trust the "liberal news media" more than Noam Chomsky and the people who live by his values.

I hope the right-wingers load the mainstream media into a woodchipper. Only then can the Chomskyites become the new liberal establishment.

After all, the macho Trump right got into power because the liberals successfully defeated the "compassionate" fundie conservatism of the Bush era.


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18 Sep 2017, 4:43 pm

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Huff post and the Guardian are a good read as they tend to stick it up Washington and London


HuffPo sometimes makes good content.

Unfortunately, they are left-wing extremists. I don't like to throw the term "left-wing extremism" around because it's not really a big deal. Left-wing extremism isn't very dangerous or deadly. It's mostly just hilarious ... but it still exists.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Huffington_Post

I swear, some of the articles on HuffPo were written by escaped mental patients. It's kinda like Buzzfeed ... but slightly less stupid.


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18 Sep 2017, 4:50 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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Huff post and the Guardian are a good read as they tend to stick it up Washington and London


HuffPo sometimes makes good content.

Unfortunately, they are left-wing extremists. I don't like to throw the term "left-wing extremism" around because it's not really a big deal. Left-wing extremism isn't very dangerous or deadly. It's mostly just hilarious ... but it still exists.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Huffington_Post

I swear, some of the articles on HuffPo were written by escaped mental patients. It's kinda like Buzzfeed ... but slightly less stupid.

I tend to "triangulate" different sources and make up my own mind. Certainly better than "others" on this thread (or in Trump's inner circle) who wait with "bated breath" for whatever Fox news or Brietbart publish.

A cursory google search suggests AP or Reuters aren't much better than any other news source
https://www.infowars.com/how-reliable-is-reuters/

Comes back to the question...if Trump and his fawning sycophants label sources "fake news" then what is reliable news for them??



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18 Sep 2017, 5:01 pm

The Internet is here to stay, whether Trump likes it or not.


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18 Sep 2017, 6:17 pm

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I always felt this chart is fairly accurate on where news stations stand...

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I do miss the days when news was bland, boring, serious, and unbiased. When CNN first started, it attempted to brand itself as "vanilla news", meaning, what I described above, but unfortunately it's largely tabloid fodder these days.

One of the reasons for the degradation in the quality of news is that previously, news corporations had consistent funding from sponsors and customers. Businesses would pay large sums of money for air time to air commercials on news programs, and new papers received funds from actual paper sales.

These days, with the decline in TV watchers, and a significant decline in news paper subscriptions, combined with the abundance of free news that the internet offers, news corporations have had to turn to internet advertising revenue, the value of which is determined by the amount of traffic to a website or number of clicks on an article. This is why you will see headlines these days which don't summarize the story, as they used to, but are designed to pique one's curiosity, for example "Popular Toy Store May Go Bankrupt Soon". It leaves the reader wondering "What store? Is it Toys R Us?" and then they click to get the answer. There are also intentionally incomplete headlines such as "Taxi Driver Locked Teenaged Girls and Cab and Drove them to Police Because They". These are headlines on Yahoo today.

This revenue drop has also resulted in poorer quality news. You might notice, many news stories these days don't seem to have been read by editors. That's because there often are none. It was not only the job of the editor to proof read, but to also fact check I was speaking with a journalist with what used to be the largest news paper on the west coast, and he said news room staff has decreased from 300 people to 100 people during his career as a journalist.

Another thing we have seen over the past 17 or so years is a change in the types of stories. This is also due to the internet. The internet used to be a place where people would turn for a break from everyday life, with websites such as ebaumsworld or wecanhazcheeseburgers, and that culture has persisted to a large degree. People seem to prefer to click on stories that are less than serious, or stories that trigger strong emotional responses. For example, a story about "An instagramer's incredible transformation" may receive more clicks than a story about all of the resolutions passed at the UN that day, or a famine in Ethiopia (yes again).

Here is a list of headlines from the New York times on July 22, 1985.

South Africa's state of emergency went into effect, and with the near-absolute powers granted them under the emergency.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff oppose ratification by the United States of internationally agreed revisions of the 1949 Geneva Conventions on treatment of combatants and war victims that are intended to enhance humane treatment of combatants and civilians during war.

Israeli-Chinese economic ties have been quietly developing in recent months, according to Israeli officials.

Reworking of the U.S. bases treaty with the Philippines has been called for by Philippine Government leaders in retaliation for a proposed reduction in United States military aid to Manila recently voted by the House.

President Reagan must take a role in the budget negotiations, the Senate majority leader, Bob Dole, said.

Military research at top universities is returning in force, spurred by the Reagan Administration's project to develop a shield against nuclear missiles and reviving a heated debate over the proper role of universities in developing weapons systems.

The New York Times is still a fairly reputable, serious source of news, however, at the time, these headlines were nothing unusual and fairly standard. Compare them with the standard headlines of today and the differences are striking and concerning.



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19 Sep 2017, 5:48 pm

How about have Trump shut down his twitter account... Like he really has ANYTHING interesting to say !



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19 Sep 2017, 6:05 pm

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How about have Trump shut down his twitter account... Like he really has ANYTHING interesting to say !

Yeah, those right-wingers always trying to block and silence people with opposing views!



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20 Sep 2017, 12:49 pm

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How about have Trump shut down his twitter account... Like he really has ANYTHING interesting to say !

Yeah, those right-wingers always trying to block and silence people with opposing views!

I'm not to block or silence anyone.. I'm the first person who believes in Freedom of speech ! Just make sure you have something worth speaking about ! Stop trying to blame everyone else ! if Trump doesn't agree with it, it's called " fake news " why can't he just admit maybe I was wrong, I'll look into it.. anything is better then shutting people down with his so called Fake news answer.....



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20 Sep 2017, 7:46 pm

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How about have Trump shut down his twitter account... Like he really has ANYTHING interesting to say !

Yeah, those right-wingers always trying to block and silence people with opposing views!

I'm not to block or silence anyone.. I'm the first person who believes in Freedom of speech ! Just make sure you have something worth speaking about ! Stop trying to blame everyone else ! if Trump doesn't agree with it, it's called " fake news " why can't he just admit maybe I was wrong, I'll look into it.. anything is better then shutting people down with his so called Fake news answer.....

You: I believe in free speech

Also you: I wish people who said things I don't agree with stopped saying them, not just to me but to anyone else



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22 Sep 2017, 7:31 am

Chichikov wrote:
RainMom2015 wrote:
Chichikov wrote:
RainMom2015 wrote:
How about have Trump shut down his twitter account... Like he really has ANYTHING interesting to say !

Yeah, those right-wingers always trying to block and silence people with opposing views!

I'm not to block or silence anyone.. I'm the first person who believes in Freedom of speech ! Just make sure you have something worth speaking about ! Stop trying to blame everyone else ! if Trump doesn't agree with it, it's called " fake news " why can't he just admit maybe I was wrong, I'll look into it.. anything is better then shutting people down with his so called Fake news answer.....

You: I believe in free speech

Also you: I wish people who said things I don't agree with stopped saying them, not just to me but to anyone else
Let me make myself very clear, I listen to what everyone has to say, right or wrong I'm not afraid to hear others opinions, and yes I do have an open mind and I'm not judgmental. This ENTIRE post has been about one person and one person only, Trump. I could care less about anything he has to say due to he has no idea what the hell he's talking about... But hey, since you seem to keep him in great regard's, come to my country and take him home to the UK with you.. Trust me when I say this, he won't be missed ! :D



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22 Sep 2017, 8:30 am

Freedom of speech is not the same as agreeing with said speech. One is a principle that everyone gets a voice, the other is about what that voice is actually saying. It's perfectly compatible to allow a person's speech and then pick apart what was actually said, they are two completely different things. Second, the freedom of speech is a contract between a government and citizen, not a pact among citizens-- your freedom of speech goes away when you exit public property. Take WP for example, it has it's own set of rules and regulations regarding speech and members can be/have been banned for speech that violates the internal rules, the government and it's contract of 'free speech' doesn't apply here because WP is a private property, not a public property, thus the government has no authority to mandate it's own contract here.