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cyberdad
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20 Mar 2019, 2:40 am

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Please excuse my cynicism, but how is skipping classes going to stop global warming?


I think if I check the European convention on human rights protesting is a civil right of all people. Participating in a constructive protest that aids in furthering understanding on an important global phenomenon is actually an educational activity. The smarter kids should apply for credit.



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20 Mar 2019, 4:15 am

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The entire domain of cardiology science just got discredited so to speak. For decades cardiology experts were saying taking aspirin every day would reduce the risk of heart attack and stoke. That's now been discredited, even though it was considered sound science for decades. Science is like that. There's often a new study, new theory, new model that discredits a previously established one.

No, the domain of cardiology science did not just get "discredited." That's ridiculous - and I say that as the wife of a man with A-Fib who has an excellent, caring cardiologist with an M.D. from Harvard, who is one of the most thorough and excellent doctors I have ever known.

Medicine will from time to time have a paradigm shift, just as other scientific fields will. Something that was "accepted practice" gets challenged with a larger sample size or better research design, or with longitudinal studies that take many years to complete. Aspirin for heart health is one example. Another is hormone replacement therapy for symptoms of menopause, which turned out to cause early death from cancer. There are drugs that are considered miracle drugs up to a certain age, but then after that age you change to something else because risk of side effects changes in the aging body.

But saying the field of cardiology has been discredited is just throwing out the baby with the bathwater.


I was speaking figuratively. That's why I said "so to speak". I value all my many doctors. Including my cardiologist who has an MD from Yale.



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20 Mar 2019, 4:20 am

It's interesting how voting is mentioned so often as the solution to the climate crisis.

George Bush got reelected using the terrorist crisis.



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20 Mar 2019, 8:57 am

Has climate change stopped yet?

No?

Kids, get back to class...

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20 Mar 2019, 9:01 am

EzraS wrote:
It's interesting how voting is mentioned so often as the solution to the climate crisis.

George Bush got reelected using the terrorist crisis.


I don't see the connection there.

I mentioned voting because (at least in theory) its the way individuals attempt to influence change in governmental policy, which in turn may affect change in other allied governments.



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20 Mar 2019, 10:00 am

DanielW wrote:
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It's interesting how voting is mentioned so often as the solution to the climate crisis.

George Bush got reelected using the terrorist crisis.


I don't see the connection there.

I mentioned voting because (at least in theory) its the way individuals attempt to influence change in governmental policy, which in turn may affect change in other allied governments.


Not necessarily based on anything you wrote, the general message is "vote democrat to save the planet".



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20 Mar 2019, 3:57 pm

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You go, Students of the World!

The young people are the ones who are going to be stuck with a wrecked planet. If their elders won't fix it, they have both the right and the obligation to take action.

Anyone who thinks students cannot effect change, never lived in the Vietnam era in America.


I agree completely. I am heartened by these kids. The girl who kicked the whole thing off is an Aspie as well! I wish them every success because they will have no planet at all if they fail.



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20 Mar 2019, 4:02 pm

I'm not against anyone's efforts to combat climate change, but I really think we won't see that until there is a significant reduction of humans on the planet. Climate change may do that. Either way, it isn't likely anyone here today is going to know one way or the other if humans or nature will win this one.



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21 Mar 2019, 1:27 am

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I'm not against anyone's efforts to combat climate change, but I really think we won't see that until there is a significant reduction of humans on the planet. Climate change may do that. Either way, it isn't likely anyone here today is going to know one way or the other if humans or nature will win this one.


If nature wins the rats who caused this environmental mess will be the first ones to "jump ship"



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21 Mar 2019, 4:44 am

cyberdad wrote:
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I'm not against anyone's efforts to combat climate change, but I really think we won't see that until there is a significant reduction of humans on the planet. Climate change may do that. Either way, it isn't likely anyone here today is going to know one way or the other if humans or nature will win this one.


If nature wins the rats who caused this environmental mess will be the first ones to "jump ship"


Those rats, and the rest of us will not be here to know



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22 Mar 2019, 4:44 am

DanielW wrote:
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DanielW wrote:
I'm not against anyone's efforts to combat climate change, but I really think we won't see that until there is a significant reduction of humans on the planet. Climate change may do that. Either way, it isn't likely anyone here today is going to know one way or the other if humans or nature will win this one.


If nature wins the rats who caused this environmental mess will be the first ones to "jump ship"


Those rats, and the rest of us will not be here to know


Yes...rats jump ship but of course they end up shark food...



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22 Mar 2019, 5:21 am

cyberdad wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
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I'm not against anyone's efforts to combat climate change, but I really think we won't see that until there is a significant reduction of humans on the planet. Climate change may do that. Either way, it isn't likely anyone here today is going to know one way or the other if humans or nature will win this one.


If nature wins the rats who caused this environmental mess will be the first ones to "jump ship"


Those rats, and the rest of us will not be here to know


Yes...rats jump ship but of course they end up shark food...


The rats as you say won't have anywhere to jump to...and the sharks will probably be just as dead as the rest of us by then. No one, rats or the wealthy are going to win...that's my point.



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22 Mar 2019, 7:23 am

Maybe we'll get lucky and some psychopath with the capability, will get so worked up over climate change, he'll find a way to wipe out a significant portion of the population.



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22 Mar 2019, 7:38 am

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Maybe we'll get lucky and some psychopath with the capability, will get so worked up over climate change, he'll find a way to wipe out a significant portion of the population.


:twisted: :D