As if a pandemic isn't enough to deal with, Trump's calling

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17 Apr 2020, 4:32 pm

“As if a pandemic isn't enough to deal with, Trump's calling for a Civil War.”

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Oh, well isn’t this just lovely.. :lol:

I wonder if there’s a collective *sigh* taking place South of the border as America finally regret electing a reality TV show host as President just to stick it to the establishment? Or maybe not yet? Hmm.


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17 Apr 2020, 6:21 pm

They really need to take his twitter away and put him in time out.


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17 Apr 2020, 6:38 pm

blackicmenace wrote:
They really need to take his twitter away and put him in jail or a mental health facility.


Fixed it for you. :)


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17 Apr 2020, 7:17 pm

To be fair Virginia is using this pandemic to violate the bill of rights.
Democrats in Congress are too.


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17 Apr 2020, 7:27 pm

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To be fair Virginia is using this pandemic to violate the bill of rights.
Democrats in Congress are too.


How so? (I dunno.)


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18 Apr 2020, 12:18 am

Nations where there has been total economic collapse and most people have no work are not better off in dealing with disease, they are worse off.



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18 Apr 2020, 12:24 am

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Nations where there has been total economic collapse and most people have no work are not better off in dealing with disease, they are worse off.


Good thing the USA is an extremely wealthy country with all the resources necessary to feed its citizens and can weather this storm with ease compared to some poor developing nation in Africa, then!


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18 Apr 2020, 12:38 am

Once affluent cities in the US like Detroit have already gone down the tubes due to lack of thriving business and there being no jobs. Other cities have been living on the edge for quite a while. There had been some recovery in the last couple of years, but that is gone now.

The 1% will be able to make out alright, but the 99% will not make out alright. Not in the US or anywhere else where extended shutdowns will cause total economic collapse.

The US is trillions of dollars in debt. It is a pipe dream that the US is wealthy enough to survive the total economic collapse that a prolonged shutdown will create. And that goes for other nations as well. Prolonged shutdowns will only eventually result in a bad situation becoming much much worse.

Even Andrew Cuomo the progressive liberal democrat governor of New York realizes this.



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18 Apr 2020, 12:50 am

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Once affluent cities in the US like Detroit have already gone down the tubes due to lack of thriving business and there being no jobs. Other cities have been living on the edge for quite a while. There had been some recovery in the last couple of years, but that is gone now.

The 1% will be able to make out alright, but the 99% will not make out alright. Not in the US or anywhere else where extended shutdowns will cause total economic collapse. The US is trillions of dollars in debt.

It is a pipe dream that the US is wealthy enough to survive the total economic collapse that a prolonged shutdown will create. And that goes for other nations as well. Prolonged shutdowns will only eventually result in a bad situation becoming much much worse.

Even Andrew Cuomo the progressive liberal democrat governor of New York realizes this.


USA has all the resources it needs to feed its citizens during a pandemic - even for 18 months.

As you’ve highlighted, the problem is not a lack of wealth. It’s how it’s distributed.

The longer this goes on the better, IMO, as it’ll shine an ever brighter light on income inequality & tax policies that favour the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

That’s a big part of why trump and his Billionaire buddies want the slaves back in the fields ASAP, so they don’t learn too much and become restless, overthrowing the systems of oppression that keep them poor in one of the wealthiest countries that’s ever existed.

USA CAN weather this storm just fine. It has all of the necessary resources. It just needs the political will to do so. Sad that $$ owns your politicians so they can’t act in the best interest of the people they’re supposed to represent.


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18 Apr 2020, 1:03 am

Wealth is dependent upon the economy. Many wealthy businessmen in the past quickly went bankrupt when their business failed. If Amazon collapses Jeff Bezos is not going to have a net worth of 139 billion any longer. When the economy totally collapses it all goes poof. The wealthy will only have enough left to look after themselves for a while.

When the US economy collapseses the US dollar is going to be worth 000.1 cents. That's why impoverished nations have trillion dollar bank notes. Because their dollar is not worth anything.

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You can get one of those for a few US or Canadian dollars. Until the US and Canada wind up in the same situation that is.



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18 Apr 2020, 1:29 am

The folks who turn their noses up at the economy, do not understand what makes the US dollar or British pound worth anything.

It is true that Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates etc have enough dollars to distribute to everyone, but that is not going to matter when the dollar becomes valueless.

I guess some folks aren't going to realize that until they have to fill a wheelbarrow full of hundred dollar bills to buy a week's worth of ramen noodles.



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18 Apr 2020, 2:15 am

If it’s about fiat currency: Even with paper losses on the stock market and inflation there’s enough $ in America to keep Americans fed.

Your govt can also print money whenever the feel the need. They just did it again, $2 Trillion worth in that stimulus bill - BUT - since they don’t care about citizens and do care about corporate welfare they allocated $1200 to each qualifying citizen and $16,800 per citizen to corporate welfare. If your Billionaires won’t be philanthropists in times of need, your government has money - they just choose not to help you with it.

And taking fiat currency completely out of the equation, the USA has plenty of fertile soil, water, trucks and trains, oil and energy etc. The labour of people and the resources of the land can produce enough food to sustain every citizen until such a time things can get back to business as usual. Your leaders simply have to have the political will to lead and your fellow Americans the will to help one another.

There are many systems of economics around the world and throughout the ages. They don’t all involve fiat currency and capitalism. There’s an abundance of resources in the USA necessary to keep everyone well fed. The only reason people would ever starve to death in the USA is because a fellow American with the means to help them refuses to.


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18 Apr 2020, 2:26 am

The US dollar is flat currency. When the US economy collapses the US dollar will no longer be worth 1.00 it will be worth $000.1 The same goes for the British sterling pond and the Canadian dollar. Farms will go out of business, water companies will go out of business, oil companies will go out of business, electric companies will go out of business, banks will go out of business. This is not a pre-industrial pre-technology world and it is not going to magically convert back over to one overnight and the covid19 virus is not going to be curtailed by any of that.

Economic collapse is not the cure for covid19 no matter what unrealistic way one spins it into not being a disaster.



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18 Apr 2020, 3:49 am

The death cult Dear leader has spoken. Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?


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18 Apr 2020, 4:22 am

I take it those who don't want to see total economic ruin take place (which is going to make covid19 a worse problem and not create a socialist utopia) are the death cult.



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18 Apr 2020, 5:04 am

EzraS wrote:
The US dollar is flat currency. When the US economy collapses the US dollar will no longer be worth 1.00 it will be worth $000.1 The same goes for the British sterling pond and the Canadian dollar. Farms will go out of business, water companies will go out of business, oil companies will go out of business, electric companies will go out of business

Why?
The economy collapsed here in 1980s, we had 1000000% inflation and the farms are still producing food, water is still in pipes, electricity is still in place. There were shortages but none of them as catastrophic as you picture and the recovery was swift.


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