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Bill Maher is a riot, and very politically wise as well.

What I get from your posts is that you despise poor people for thinking they're getting a free ride, and that you're a plutophile. Such is hardly keeping with any notions of morality or right and wrong.
Sorry if I offended you needlessly about your mom.
My dad had been a union man, and because of that, my mom didn't have to work outside the home, and we had a comfortable middle class life style. What's possibly wrong with workers organizing in order to enjoy the fruits of capitalism that they have earned through their hard work?
I've heard other right wingers on WP say they didn't vote for Trump, but seem to go out of their way to defend him, too.
I'm not seeing the benefits of those tax cuts for the rich trickling down to the middle class or poor. I just see the rich getting richer at our expense.

I think it's quite appropriate that the leftist spin should be delivered by late night comedians, as far as how seriously it should be taken



The cast of the nightly Donald Trump show.

The right dominates talk radio, so why do you have a problem with the left dominating late night comedy?
Besides, I much prefer political satirists adding humor to the facts to lunatics and political opportunists misrepresenting the facts for the sake of hate.

The defenders of DJT shall be known as Vichy Republicans

What problem? Like I said, comedians are appropriate to how seriously a lot of it should be taken.
They should add more slapstick.



And left dominated media should follow suit by adding canned laughter to their broadcasts.

There's news coverage, then there's political satirists. Sometimes political satirists with their biting sarcasm can get closer to the truth than can legitimate news sources.

My personal income isn't high, say lower middle class... I been legally homeless, but for me that still means sleeping in a car with healthy savings (I would still do it again, if needed and almost done so last year). I make just enough not to qualify for assistance and when I do, my state puts restrictions on them because I am single with out dependents. Those restrictions make it not worthwhile for me to be on assistance. Thankfully I am a minimalist at heart, who loves a adventure.

I will admit, I grew up in a upper middle class family. Six figure income, large house with a pool. We even had a airplane, or two (for a short while).

** I believe the government should be investing in people. Help them gain the skills needed, to actually become productive AND pay taxes... I don't believe in a free ride for the majority. As it hurts people who truly can't work, I would rather see more money for the disabled that live independently (I am willing to bet that's a good percentage of this forum).


I am proud of what little money I have, sure. I worked for it, it gives me comfort. I could use more, want more... I also do occasionally enjoy a few luxuries, as do most people.


None taken, was kinda yanking your chain a bit. Probably distasteful on part, playing with your words.


My stepfather was not a union man, but a highly skilled laborer. Made enough for my mother to not work. But we also had a family business flipping airplanes. Both my parents worked in aviation and with their skills combined, this was possible. We had a big house, but lived out in boonies (so it was cheap) compared to the city we moved from. Family cars was old, because having an airplane was a priority.

The economy hit my parents hard around the time I moved out... Local governments couldn't pay their bills; stepfathers employer (government contractor) had to let people go.


It really depends on the union. Some are great, some are horrible... Manufacturing typically haves horrible unions, same for theme parks... Personally, I don't like the income restrictions based on seniority. I want to be paid for my skills and how much I produce. In none union jobs where I can freely negotiate my pay; I always end up being towards the top of the pay scale (no matter seniority).


I have no reason to lie about not voting for Trump, I really didn't and I have defended some of Obama's stances (very few). I can really care less about the person, I care about the policies and the facts.


Well I see your talking about personal income... As I previously stated, about 45% of Americans don't pay federal income tax. They file, but most get back more more then they paid. How? Because everyone takes advantage of the tax code, not just the rich. Some examples would be EIC, CTC, RSC, CED (Few Members Could Benefit), CDC, LIHC, etc...

These are just a few that are available for low income, mostly families. They literally trickle down from the rich, to the poor.

From what I've been reading late night TV comedy is becoming preferred of over the news.

Vox: Late Night Comedy Does Better 'Journalism' Than the News Networks
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kri ... s-networks

Regardless, more and more people find themselves relegated to a permanent under class from which they can never escape from, no matter how hard they work, because the promise of capitalism is no longer extended to them.
The reason why poor and middle class people don't get taxed, whereas the rich are, is because the rich can afford to be taxed, while the rest of us can not.

With self control and determination, they could reasonably improve their situation. My mom has, as an immigrant (Permanent Green Card, Not Citizen) from a 3rd word country. Plus some of my extended family that has immigrated. I personally have and as said, I was homeless. I lived in a car for two years and I improved my position, going from poor to middle class. I did not have support from family, for various reasons never asked. It's about living within your means, something many modern Americans fail to do.


It's a little harder today, because of high corporate taxes... Really crushes the American dream. Gaining skills, getting experience. Opening a business and competing in the free market, get crushed by taxes


So enjoy a free ride, because people make bad decisions? Like starting a family when they can't afford one... How about we end tax credits, but we leave tax deductions (because it's fair for everyone). Still keeps the low income tax free, except single people with no dependents (Me ).

Then use that money we just freed up and invest it back into the people. Create programs that will effectively guide low income individuals to gaining the skills they need, to become productive members of society. Then maybe they can start paying taxes to help fund and better the system.

"Give a Man a Fish, and You Feed Him for a Day. Teach a Man To Fish, and You Feed Him for a Lifetime"

Tax payer bringing fish, because that's the system we have.

People make decisions which seem irrational. I've had so much contact with it, and have tried so hard to contextualize it, that it probably qualifies as a current special interest. Absurdist determinism with an iota of will seems satisfying. Given that, we can make progress if we focus on building social structures which lead to better outcomes based on shared goals.

Fact: It costs less to pay for free birth control than to pay for the consequences of unwanted children. It also dramatically reduces the incidence of abortions.

Fact: It costs less to invest in schools than prisons. Also, you end up with fewer criminals and a better-educated workforce.

But, one side in this debate demands moral satisfaction in the achievement of the shared goals of family planning and education. Not moral satisfaction in terms of results, but in terms of implementation. The same applies in Kansas. The government insisted that everyone would benefit from applied supply side economics. They haven't.

A lot of what sounds moral to the population does not seem ethical to me, after taking a clear-eyed look at the alternatives.

Back to Comey. Al Sharpton took the T Twins down on the morality front. They should not make it a character face-off between their dad and Comey. DJT has dozens of Ten Commandment violations on record.

Not all of us can claim to be an Ubermensch who abstains from bad decisions.
As far as I'm concerned, the notion that corporate America would pay workers a good wage with benefits, were it not for taxation, is just an excuse to get as much work out of employees with as little payment in return as possible. If business taxes suddenly disappeared today, I still wouldn't expect an improvement for the plight of workers tomorrow.

I am as mildly flawed as anyone else. I have made my share of bad decisions. Each one is a life experience, I have learned from.


When FDR signed FLSA into law. He set the rate of pay, for minimum skilled employees. Want to earn more? Then people need to learn a skill and gain experience. If not, minimum skills, earns minimum pay (employers pay extra for minimum skilled employees with experience).


I am not against taxes on business or individuals. I am not against tax deductions, as it's merely expenses. No one should pay tax on expenses or losses, including businesses... If you take away deductions for corporations. You are cutting into the companies bottom line. Less money for the company to invest, means slower growth. Growth usually results in new hires and increased employee's compensation packages (at least with every place I worked or contracted with). Business being less profitable, means less investors. If large corporations are being less profitable, due to high taxes. They then move the majority of operations overseas.

This would be more noticeable on small business and the self-employed. It would be almost impossible to grow, let alone exist without deductions. As it is, I pay corporate tax on my profits. I then pay taxes again, on my personal income. Plus every other little tax from FICA to state.

BTW, If you eliminated deductions. We would have the 3rd highest corporate tax rate in the world.

This is the only tax I am against and it should go away:

Sure, the more training, the better wage you should get. That said, even low skilled workers can contribute to the economy with their buying power, and that's only if they have disposable income. Pay workers better wages in general, and it will come back in the long run. Think of it as an investment. Business would understand this if they weren't just interested in the short term gain.
With business surrendering jobs overseas, far too many people who would have had better employment are stuck with low pay, low skilled jobs.

I am glad we agree on something else. But I did propose a reasonable solution above (so the low income, can learn a marketable skill).


Entry level, minimum skilled jobs are not met to sustain long term living. They are met as stepping stone only. Paying more, just because is ridiculous. Burger flipper needs to make $15? That's about equal to every entry level "blue color" skilled position, that requires no experience (just training). Think EMT, Mechanic, Welder, and even in my industry of upholstery.


The long term results in increased prices and job loss. I love those new kiosk inside McDonalds and self checkout, I don't have to talk with someone who doesn't care about their job.


We already been over why jobs go overseas and no one is stuck with a low pay, low skilled jobs. If they didn't market their skills, that's a personal problem. They are free to look for another job and improve their situation.