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11 Sep 2015, 3:19 am

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but what is your problem with state's rights about?


Who said I have a problem with states rights? What I have a problem with is inconsistency, such as being all for states rights when it comes to issues that you think the feds are wrong on, but cheer-leading federal supremacy when the states do things you don't like. I also have a problem with willful obtuseness.

Not all issues are the same. Civil rights are far more important then whether someone smokes a J.


Rights are rights.
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11 Sep 2015, 3:49 am

when kim davis returns to work on Monday, there will be at least one test couple there to make sure she honors the judgment against her, and she will violate that judgment, as her lawyers slyly hinted at when she was released. what then? what is their end game? what do they believe they will be able to accomplish? establishment of a theocracy?



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11 Sep 2015, 7:49 am

Raptor wrote:
AspE wrote:
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but what is your problem with state's rights about?


Who said I have a problem with states rights? What I have a problem with is inconsistency, such as being all for states rights when it comes to issues that you think the feds are wrong on, but cheer-leading federal supremacy when the states do things you don't like. I also have a problem with willful obtuseness.

Not all issues are the same. Civil rights are far more important then whether someone smokes a J.


Rights are rights.
Rights that don't mean s**t to one person do mean something to another.

Raptor, I'm really sick today. Can you explaining specifically what you mean by this statement. Thanks.



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11 Sep 2015, 10:59 am

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when kim davis returns to work on Monday, there will be at least one test couple there to make sure she honors the judgment against her, and she will violate that judgment, as her lawyers slyly hinted at when she was released. what then? what is their end game? what do they believe they will be able to accomplish? establishment of a theocracy?


From what I've read, her lawyers are affiliated with a fringe, right wing, homophobic group. If anything, they really don't want to keep her out of jail. They want her to keep denying marriage licenses to same sex couples, so that way, she'll be a martyr for their cause when she's incarcerated again.


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11 Sep 2015, 1:26 pm

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when kim davis returns to work on Monday, there will be at least one test couple there to make sure she honors the judgment against her, and she will violate that judgment, as her lawyers slyly hinted at when she was released. what then? what is their end game? what do they believe they will be able to accomplish? establishment of a theocracy?


From what I've read, her lawyers are affiliated with a fringe, right wing, homophobic group. If anything, they really don't want to keep her out of jail. They want her to keep denying marriage licenses to same sex couples, so that way, she'll be a martyr for their cause when she's incarcerated again.

I am starting to feel some sympathy for her, for she cannot be too bright and she doesn't know she is being played. just the same, if I met her I'd probably want to get away ASAP.



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11 Sep 2015, 3:00 pm

It's obvious to me that she is doing this for political, not religious reasons. If she was serious about this offending her beliefs, she would have simply resigned. No matter what, this has become the law of the land, and she is sworn to uphold the law.


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11 Sep 2015, 3:07 pm

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It's obvious to me that she is doing this for political, not religious reasons. If she was serious about this offending her beliefs, she would have simply resigned. No matter what, this has become the law of the land, and she is sworn to uphold the law.

She's doing this because she wants to force her beliefs about how we should live onto others. Many Christians wish to do this. She simply takes the next step. she's a vile little woman. She's also doing it for the money...



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13 Sep 2015, 4:54 pm

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She needs to be jailed, as well as removed from her position as county clerk. I understand the stance of religious freedom, but as a public employee you have no right to throw that card, you do your job or you should face the consequences. You're in no position to stand on belief here. Your duty is clear and must be carried out without prejudice. Religious freedom has no place in government, you're there to serve the people despite your personal beliefs. It seems that some people don't understand that and will, hypocritically, place their "freedom" above the freedoms of others, totally ignoring the freedom that this country was founded upon, all in the name of religion...

I agree. 100%

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she disgusts me. :eew: did you see the way she sneered at that couple? what a self-righteous *snip* snob.

Yep ... and don't even get me started on Shirley Phelps! :roll: Ugghhh! *shivers*



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13 Sep 2015, 8:55 pm

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Not all issues are the same. Civil rights are far more important then whether someone smokes a J.


Actually, I'd say that not being thrown in a cage and having your life royally f*cked up for a victimless "crime" is more important than having the government recognize your personal relationship in the way you want, but that not germane to the point I was making, which is that it's hypocritical to support officials breaking the law in one case and condemn them in another, depending on whether you happen to agree with their action or not.


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14 Sep 2015, 12:40 am

Dox47 wrote:
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Not all issues are the same. Civil rights are far more important then whether someone smokes a J.


Actually, I'd say that not being thrown in a cage and having your life royally f*cked up for a victimless "crime" is more important than having the government recognize your personal relationship in the way you want, but that not germane to the point I was making, which is that it's hypocritical to support officials breaking the law in one case and condemn them in another, depending on whether you happen to agree with their action or not.


The only reason why she was ever in the cage was because she chose to not do her job. And it's not a victimless crime. The rights of those couples she had turned away were violated. In other words, she decided she could choose who were less than equal. Would you feel the same way if she had turned away interracial couples? Because there's absolutely no difference. That's reason enough to toss her into that cage.


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14 Sep 2015, 12:42 am

I dread what is going to happen by the end of Monday.



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14 Sep 2015, 12:55 am

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I dread what is going to happen by the end of Monday.


Well, if she ends up back behind bars, she has no one to blame but herself. The Hucksterbee and her lawyers can have all the rallies that they want, making her a martyr for their holy cause of denying gays equal rights, with all the media attention they can drum up. And maybe those Promise Keeper idiots who swore to use force of arms to keep her out of jail will wave their guns around, and talk about how the End Times are upon us. Who knows, maybe she'll eventually wise up to the fact that none of these people had ever wanted to keep her out of jail, but just wanted to use her incarceration to promote their right wing, homophobic agenda.


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14 Sep 2015, 12:59 am

I can't help thinking that 1] the local good ol' boy power structure will intervene and keep her out of jail, and 2]vigilante-types will come to the courthouse and keep gay folk away, and that it will end up being a perverted inversion of George Wallace blocking the schoolhouse door, and that this time the national guard will NOT be called in.



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14 Sep 2015, 1:08 am

auntblabby wrote:
I can't help thinking that 1] the local good ol' boy power structure will intervene and keep her out of jail, and 2]vigilante-types will come to the courthouse and keep gay folk away, and that it will end up being a perverted inversion of George Wallace blocking the schoolhouse door, and that this time the national guard will NOT be called in.


As Obama is no longer bound by the fear of losing the next election, I see no reason why he shouldn't send in the national guard. He will be remembered for the rest of history as a President who took a stand for civil rights, if he does. Bill Clinton would give his soul for that sort of historical legacy, as his - despite his accomplishments - will always be first and foremost a seaman stained blue dress.


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14 Sep 2015, 1:23 am

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I can't help thinking that 1] the local good ol' boy power structure will intervene and keep her out of jail, and 2]vigilante-types will come to the courthouse and keep gay folk away, and that it will end up being a perverted inversion of George Wallace blocking the schoolhouse door, and that this time the national guard will NOT be called in.


As Obama is no longer bound by the fear of losing the next election, I see no reason why he shouldn't send in the national guard. He will be remembered for the rest of history as a President who took a stand for civil rights, if he does. Bill Clinton would give his soul for that sort of historical legacy, as his - despite his accomplishments - will always be first and foremost a seaman stained blue dress.

back in the day he probably would have been impeached had he gotten his semen on a seaman ;) [couldn't resist ;) ] anyways, this woman fancies herself as another George Wallace.



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14 Sep 2015, 1:30 am

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I can't help thinking that 1] the local good ol' boy power structure will intervene and keep her out of jail, and 2]vigilante-types will come to the courthouse and keep gay folk away, and that it will end up being a perverted inversion of George Wallace blocking the schoolhouse door, and that this time the national guard will NOT be called in.


As Obama is no longer bound by the fear of losing the next election, I see no reason why he shouldn't send in the national guard. He will be remembered for the rest of history as a President who took a stand for civil rights, if he does. Bill Clinton would give his soul for that sort of historical legacy, as his - despite his accomplishments - will always be first and foremost a seaman stained blue dress.

back in the day he probably would have been impeached had he gotten his semen on a seaman ;) [couldn't resist ;) ] anyways, this woman fancies herself as another George Wallace.


Okay, you got me! :lol: :oops:


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