Qantas Flights grounded across the world
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29 Oct 2011, 5:50 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Anyone intending to fly with Qantas (the Australian national air carrier) to Australia or anywhere in the world, please note there is a global shutdown over work conditions.
Strongly suggest travelers look at alternative airlines if you are thinking of travel to Australia.
Strongly suggest travelers look at alternative airlines if you are thinking of travel to Australia.
The Proles are Revolting.
ruveyn
29 Oct 2011, 11:29 pm
ruveyn wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Anyone intending to fly with Qantas (the Australian national air carrier) to Australia or anywhere in the world, please note there is a global shutdown over work conditions.
Strongly suggest travelers look at alternative airlines if you are thinking of travel to Australia.
Strongly suggest travelers look at alternative airlines if you are thinking of travel to Australia.
The Proles are Revolting.
ruveyn
If anybody remember;s Dustin Hoffman's famous line about Qantas in Rainman - Qantas remains the only international carrier in the world never to record a single fatality on any of their flights since they started international flights in 1935.
With all the strikes they've had over the last 24 months relating to outsourcing pilots and mechanics - there has been real concern over falling standards.
30 Oct 2011, 7:37 pm
CANBERRA, Australia -- Qantas Airways could begin returning its grounded fleet to the skies as early a Monday after an Australian court intervened in a bitter labor dispute by ending strikes and canceling a staff lock out.
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
30 Oct 2011, 9:26 pm
ruveyn wrote:
CANBERRA, Australia -- Qantas Airways could begin returning its grounded fleet to the skies as early a Monday after an Australian court intervened in a bitter labor dispute by ending strikes and canceling a staff lock out.
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
Not quite correct as it's not the courts who intervened.
The intervention was from Fair Work Australia the national workplace relations tribunal. It is an independent body with power to carry out a range of functions relating to:
-the safety net of minimum wages and employment conditions
-enterprise bargaining
-industrial action
-dispute resolution
-termination of employment
-other workplace matters.
I have a lot of respect for the unions, they are after all the people who bought us the weekend.
31 Oct 2011, 8:34 am
cyberdad wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
CANBERRA, Australia -- Qantas Airways could begin returning its grounded fleet to the skies as early a Monday after an Australian court intervened in a bitter labor dispute by ending strikes and canceling a staff lock out.
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
Not quite correct as it's not the courts who intervened.
The intervention was from Fair Work Australia the national workplace relations tribunal. It is an independent body with power to carry out a range of functions relating to:
-the safety net of minimum wages and employment conditions
-enterprise bargaining
-industrial action
-dispute resolution
-termination of employment
-other workplace matters.
I have a lot of respect for the unions, they are after all the people who bought us the weekend.
If a tribunal or arbitration agency has the power to enforce its decisions, it is for all practical purposes a court.
In any case the strike/lockout is over for now.
By the way the Labor Union movement also produced Jimmy Hoffa, the Criminal (Teamsters Union, U.S.A.)
The mafia loves labor unions. Juicy pickings.
ruveyn
31 Oct 2011, 12:03 pm
One is left wondering what a workforce is expected to do in the face of management who appear bent on moving substantial amounts of the operation offshore.
The most lucrative work for many of the bargaining units involved is flying and maintaining the large aircraft--if these wind up based in Asia, substantial numbers of Qantas pilots, flight attendants and mechanics will find themselves with no jobs in Australian, and facing the Morton's fork of forcing out more junion employees on lower paid work on the domestic fleet, or expatriating themselves to work--for substantially lower salaries--offshore. (That is, of course, assuming that the countries where the fleet will now be based will permit it. It's one thing for pilots, it's quite another for mechanics).
One can very well argue that this is simply an economic necessity--Jetstar is the logical extension of a legacy carrier no longer competitive in a world of low cost carriers. But that is cold comfort to a pilot, flight attendant or mechanic looking at the end of their aviation career.
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31 Oct 2011, 9:44 pm
visagrunt wrote:
One is left wondering what a workforce is expected to do in the face of management who appear bent on moving substantial amounts of the operation offshore.
The most lucrative work for many of the bargaining units involved is flying and maintaining the large aircraft--if these wind up based in Asia, substantial numbers of Qantas pilots, flight attendants and mechanics will find themselves with no jobs in Australian, and facing the Morton's fork of forcing out more junion employees on lower paid work on the domestic fleet, or expatriating themselves to work--for substantially lower salaries--offshore. (That is, of course, assuming that the countries where the fleet will now be based will permit it. It's one thing for pilots, it's quite another for mechanics).
One can very well argue that this is simply an economic necessity--Jetstar is the logical extension of a legacy carrier no longer competitive in a world of low cost carriers. But that is cold comfort to a pilot, flight attendant or mechanic looking at the end of their aviation career.
The most lucrative work for many of the bargaining units involved is flying and maintaining the large aircraft--if these wind up based in Asia, substantial numbers of Qantas pilots, flight attendants and mechanics will find themselves with no jobs in Australian, and facing the Morton's fork of forcing out more junion employees on lower paid work on the domestic fleet, or expatriating themselves to work--for substantially lower salaries--offshore. (That is, of course, assuming that the countries where the fleet will now be based will permit it. It's one thing for pilots, it's quite another for mechanics).
One can very well argue that this is simply an economic necessity--Jetstar is the logical extension of a legacy carrier no longer competitive in a world of low cost carriers. But that is cold comfort to a pilot, flight attendant or mechanic looking at the end of their aviation career.
Exactly. QANTAS CEO Alan Joyce is investing millions in developing a Qantas Asia which most people see as a smokescreen to tap into the Asian labor market.
Currently Qantas recruits Air Stewardesses from Thailand on some of their Asian flights payed on the salary of $400/month!! the unions are concerned that all Qantas staff should be on the same salary for equity reasons.
In addition to exploiting Asian labor there is the ongoing issue of Qantas planes being grounded over faulty engines. This directly coincides with the outsourcing of mechanical and engineering work to Malaysia. We hope in vain the same Q/A is applied in Asian engine maintenance teams outside of the jurisdiction of Qantas national standards.
31 Oct 2011, 9:53 pm
ruveyn wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
CANBERRA, Australia -- Qantas Airways could begin returning its grounded fleet to the skies as early a Monday after an Australian court intervened in a bitter labor dispute by ending strikes and canceling a staff lock out.
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
Not quite correct as it's not the courts who intervened.
The intervention was from Fair Work Australia the national workplace relations tribunal. It is an independent body with power to carry out a range of functions relating to:
-the safety net of minimum wages and employment conditions
-enterprise bargaining
-industrial action
-dispute resolution
-termination of employment
-other workplace matters.
I have a lot of respect for the unions, they are after all the people who bought us the weekend.
If a tribunal or arbitration agency has the power to enforce its decisions, it is for all practical purposes a court.
In any case the strike/lockout is over for now.
By the way the Labor Union movement also produced Jimmy Hoffa, the Criminal (Teamsters Union, U.S.A.)
The mafia loves labor unions. Juicy pickings.
ruveyn
I guess the union movement in the USA is also seen as the fifth column for the international communist movement. Our national conservative government plans to introduce "work choices" policy when they next win government (most likely next year) which will see an end to enterprise bargaining and the re-introduction of negotiated employer contracts and individual bargaining. The old conservative trick of full employment but 25-30% of workers are living around the poverty line because employers can take away employer contributions of superannuation, worker benefits, holidays, leave loading and dangle unfair dismissal over disgruntled workers heads as incentive to tow the line.
01 Nov 2011, 10:51 am
ruveyn wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
CANBERRA, Australia -- Qantas Airways could begin returning its grounded fleet to the skies as early a Monday after an Australian court intervened in a bitter labor dispute by ending strikes and canceling a staff lock out.
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
The arbitration court ruling Monday is a major victory in the airline's battle with unions whose rolling strikes have forced to cancellation of 600 flights in recent months, disrupted the travel for 70,000 passengers and cost Qantas 70 million Australian dollars ($75 million).
Not quite correct as it's not the courts who intervened.
The intervention was from Fair Work Australia the national workplace relations tribunal. It is an independent body with power to carry out a range of functions relating to:
-the safety net of minimum wages and employment conditions
-enterprise bargaining
-industrial action
-dispute resolution
-termination of employment
-other workplace matters.
I have a lot of respect for the unions, they are after all the people who bought us the weekend.
If a tribunal or arbitration agency has the power to enforce its decisions, it is for all practical purposes a court.
In any case the strike/lockout is over for now.
By the way the Labor Union movement also produced Jimmy Hoffa, the Criminal (Teamsters Union, U.S.A.)
The mafia loves labor unions. Juicy pickings.
ruveyn
Because one grape is rotten then so must the whole bunch! - The belief of dangerous fools.
01 Nov 2011, 11:58 am
cyberdad wrote:
Anyone intending to fly with Qantas (the Australian national air carrier) to Australia or anywhere in the world, please note there is a global shutdown over work conditions.
Strongly suggest travelers look at alternative airlines if you are thinking of travel to Australia.
Strongly suggest travelers look at alternative airlines if you are thinking of travel to Australia.
You left out the juicy detail that it was the CEO Alan Joyce who ordered the stop work and caused this disruption.
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01 Nov 2011, 12:07 pm
cyberdad wrote:
I guess the union movement in the USA is also seen as the fifth column for the international communist movement.
Only for nut jobs like Sen. McCarthy. Realistically the labor stagnant (I refuse to call it a movement) is a ready made opportunity for gangsters to extort money from both the firms AND the workers. It is a double dip for organized crime.
ruveyn
01 Nov 2011, 8:34 pm
Nexus wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Anyone intending to fly with Qantas (the Australian national air carrier) to Australia or anywhere in the world, please note there is a global shutdown over work conditions.
Strongly suggest travelers look at alternative airlines if you are thinking of travel to Australia.
Strongly suggest travelers look at alternative airlines if you are thinking of travel to Australia.
You left out the juicy detail that it was the CEO Alan Joyce who ordered the stop work and caused this disruption.
Refer to Post: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:44 pm
01 Nov 2011, 8:45 pm
ruveyn wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I guess the union movement in the USA is also seen as the fifth column for the international communist movement.
Only for nut jobs like Sen. McCarthy. Realistically the labor stagnant (I refuse to call it a movement) is a ready made opportunity for gangsters to extort money from both the firms AND the workers. It is a double dip for organized crime.
ruveyn
Here in Australia there are few union leaders who have been found to be corrupt through practices like branch stacking and bullying. A few have used excessive force, so a little thuggery and intimidation of employers (particularly Small-medium enterprises).
By in large the different unions representing different industry groups have provided a a safety net for workers and been critical in wage cases for increased pay.
However, the university union I was a member of a year ago did nothing to protect workers from unfair dismissal or grievances arising from workplace bullying/harassment from management.
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