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27 Dec 2016, 2:14 pm

EzraS wrote:

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Or another speculation, when the teachers butted in to break up the fight, the autistic student started to attack the staff so they fought back in self defense and he died that way.

I don't think it was a fight. What I read was, "When another student tried to step in to help, he ended up getting hurt." I think that means the student in distress was probably flailing his arms around and the student trying to help probably accidentally got hit in the face or got poked in the eye or something.

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Fight or Flight is a normal reaction but the school staff are being paid not to give in to that reaction and use best practices to diffuse this type of situation which is not uncommon in a special needs school.

No it's not at all uncommon. I have watched it happen many times.

Of all times I have been in special ed especially when I attended a special preschool for kids with developmental delays and being in a self contained class, there was only one kid who was violent but he wasn't dangerous and he never had to be retrained. He was only taken to the office and sent out of the classroom when he got that bad. He only threw chairs one time and that was it while rest of the time he hit or pinched but it wasn't on a daily basis. The other things he only did was name called and got other kids into trouble with his lies and me. I must have been very lucky. Other special needs kids I have seen over the years, none of them were violent except for one kid I knew in my teens but he had a behavior disorder and had been in and out of the hospital from Seattle and got kicked out of his regular school. Plus that other boy I knew when I was six I just wrote about here.

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28 Dec 2016, 8:09 am

Ezra's in a different school situation than most kids who are in "special classes." He is in a school which specializes exclusively in (probably mostly) moderate-to-severe autistic kids. All the kids there are classified as those who have "significant special needs."

His experience will probably be somewhat different from those in more generalized "special classes."

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28 Dec 2016, 10:42 am

Any authority figure, of any kind, who places another vulnerable person - especially one who is in a heightened state of agitation - in restraints is then fully responsible for the safety of that person until such time as they are removed and the person is in a place of safety. They have an absolute duty of care to protect that person irrespective of the detained person's actions - There is no leeway in this, legally they are responsible. If a lay-person deprives the liberty and freedom of a person they they have a legal responsibility to know what they are doing and how to do it safely and properly in any eventuality.

Laying a person down whilst their hands are restrained, a very very common practice, puts a great deal of extra pressure on the chest area and makes it difficult to breathe; the shallow breaths do not bring in enough oxygen and this in turn can add to the fear and anxiety and the person can die very quickly. Their rights to detain him are more than matched by their responsibility to protect him. The young person's actions are irrelevant to this, the bottom line was they asserted their authority, placed him in a potentially dangerous situation, failed in their duty and obligation to protect him and should face charges accordingly.

I'm quite sure they won't, we already know that autistic lives aren't worth as much as 'normal' lives so I'm quite sure the adults will walk away with sympathies ringing in their ears, "Well if he hadn't have fought like that he wouldn't be dead! You must feel awful, so sorry for you!" Whilst totally ignoring the reason he died was because he was failed by the adults, carers, supporters or whatever they want to call themselves when he needed them most.

There is no need to restrain autistic people, not any more, proper use of positive behaviour support approaches render that approach outdated and barbaric.

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28 Dec 2016, 12:04 pm

androbot01 wrote:

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I don't think it was a fight.

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CBS2’s Jeff Nguyen reported the teen — who had autism — died following a fight on the bus early Friday evening on his way home from school.

Investigators believe Corona got into with another student and school workers who had to restrain him with the help of the bus driver.

At one point, police say the teen passed out.

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That seems to conflict with:

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Police said Corona was prone to outbursts, and when another student tried to step in to help, he ended up getting hurt.

That is when the bus driver and two aides worked to restrain Corona.

"While they were trying to calm this student and get the situation under control apparently he went limp," Madden said.

http://abc7.com/news/student-with-autis ... o/1653018/

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28 Dec 2016, 12:53 pm

EzraS wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

I don't think it was a fight.

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CBS

That seems to conflict with:

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http://abc7.com/news/student-with-autis ... o/1653018/

In what way?

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29 Dec 2016, 2:52 am

androbot01 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

I don't think it was a fight.

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CBS

That seems to conflict with:

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http://abc7.com/news/student-with-autis ... o/1653018/

In what way?

That way

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15 Jan 2017, 4:24 am

Why did autistic San Bernardino student die in school bus struggle?

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“I don’t believe there was any intent to cause harm to this young man,” Madden said. “We also have to look at whether there was negligence.”

Police are waiting for toxicology test results, and Madden said he didn’t know when the investigation would be completed.

An autopsy is pending, said Gabriel Morales, supervising deputy coroner investigator for the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department Coroner Division.

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Madden said Corona had “chronic conditions” that made him “prone to outbursts.”

Corona, who was restrained by a harness, became agitated and aggressive and tried to “lash out” at a female student as the bus drove north on the 215 Freeway in San Bernardino, Madden said.

A female employee tried to restrain Corona to keep him from harming himself or anyone else but couldn’t, the lieutenant said. Then, the male bus driver got off the freeway, stopped the vehicle and helped, Madden said.

An earlier statement from the school said that two special education aides and the bus driver, who are trained in “de-escalation techniques,” tried to calm Corona.

Madden said the struggle lasted several minutes and at some point, Corona “went limp” and stopped resisting.

“When they realized what had happened, they removed him from the harness and saw he wasn’t breathing,” Madden said.

School employees performed CPR and called 911. An emergency medical crew arrived to the area of H and Victoria streets and took Corona to a hospital, where he died, a San Bernardino police news release stated.

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15 Jan 2017, 7:31 am

If he was in a harness then they would not have had to wrestle with him too much. He had severe autism and severe intellectual disability like I figured. I still seriously doubt it was anything anyone did that caused the death. Probably something like a brain aneurysm.

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16 Jan 2017, 3:04 am

It has been a about a month since Anthony died. Why has the autopsy not been done, and why has the toxicology reports come in?

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19 Mar 2017, 1:19 am

Autistic San Bernardino teen's death on school bus hits family hard

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Following a physical confrontation with another student and after school employees' attempts to restrain Corona failed, the bus driver pushed the teen's shoulders down, forcing his head between his legs, for 12 minutes until he stopped breathing, a San Bernardino police report stated.

Authorities concluded the death was� a homicide, which� means "death at the hands of another, but not necessarily implying intent or culpability," states a coroner's report provided by the family's attorney Dale Nowicki.� His death resulted from "positional asphyxia," meaning he was put in a position where he couldn't breathe for several minutes, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department Coroner Division and San Bernardino police Lt. Mike Madden. Corona's autism and mental retardation contributed to his death, a coroner's report states.

San Bernardino police turned over the case last week to the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office, which hasn't decided whether to file charges, spokesman Christopher Lee said.

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19 Mar 2017, 2:43 am

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Wow. That's really sad and disappointing. Whoever did that to him is the one who lost control. Too much force.

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22 Mar 2017, 12:51 pm

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the bus driver pushed the teen's shoulders down, forcing his head between his legs, for 12 minutes until he stopped breathing, a San Bernardino police report stated.

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Corona's autism and mental retardation contributed to his death, a coroner's report states.

The bus driver killed him, but autism and retardation contributed to his death.

How? Police and others sometimes kill non-autistc, non-retarded people with these kinds of holds. In what way did his condition contribute to his being killed by the bus driver?

Are there other conditions that make it okay for the bus driver to kill you? What if you have a bad cold? Major depression? Sciatica?

This story makes me very angry.

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22 Mar 2017, 1:39 pm

Adamantium wrote:

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the bus driver pushed the teen's shoulders down, forcing his head between his legs, for 12 minutes until he stopped breathing, a San Bernardino police report stated.

The above in full context:

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Corona's autism and mental retardation contributed to his death, a coroner's report states.

Again, in context.

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Authorities concluded the death was a homicide, which means "death at the hands of another, but not necessarily implying intent or culpability," states a coroner's report provided by the family's attorney Dale Nowicki. His death resulted from "positional asphyxia," meaning he was put in a position where he couldn't breathe for several minutes, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department Coroner Division and San Bernardino police Lt. Mike Madden. Corona's autism and mental retardation contributed to his death, a coroner's report states.

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Colucci told police that in the past Corona had found a way to disconnect the harness and loosen the straps and was told he was wearing it lower than normal the day of his death, the report said.

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In my opinion, this is exactly the sort of case when it's okay for the bus driver to kill you.
Being ill with a disorder that makes you attack people does not make it okay to attack people. If a person can't behave in a civilized manner, then this is what happens. It is no one's fault but the deceased's.

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22 Mar 2017, 2:40 pm

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I strongly disagree with your argument and conclusion.

People who take on the job of working with people who have fits or emotional outbursts need to work hard not to kill those they are hired to serve.

There is no death penalty for failure to behave in a civilized manner. The idea of such a thing is uncivilized.

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22 Mar 2017, 3:06 pm

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androbot01 wrote:

I think the fault lies in this detail:

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She said he couldn't wait to get picked up at 6:30 a.m. for the two-hour bus ride from his San Bernardino home to Bright Futures Academy, a Riverside school that specializes in helping developmentally disabled students.

In what disturbed universe is it a good idea to put a group of mentally challenged people in a confined space for 4 hours every day. It could only ever end badly.

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22 Mar 2017, 5:32 pm

Killing somebody deliberately is not justified. No matter what.

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