Dylann Roof sentenced to death

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I'd rather throw him in a hole and forget about him, and besides, the penalty phase of his trial was a travesty that might cause legal problems down the road.

Oh man, I legit feel bad for that kid. I don't usually feel bad for the killers, even if it looks like something questionable drove them or steered them to what they did. But I do feel bad for Roof.

But I'd feel worse if I was minding my own business in bible study and got shot. So what can you do? It's a shame all around.

No sympathy whatsoever for him even though I'm against capital punishment. Some people are just evil, he enjoyed killing people. Good riddance.

Re: extenuating circumstances. I will ATTEMPT to clarify what I meant. Feel free to tell me I'm wasting my time.

1. Roof exhibited "obsessive compulsive behavior" as he grew up. -- Asperger's Syndrome? OCD?

2. obsessing over germs and insisting on having his hair cut in a certain style. -- Asperger's Syndrome? OCD?

3. In nine years, Roof attended at least seven schools in two South Carolina counties. -- Instability; will develop trust issues.

"Lots of studies show that kids who move a lot tend to have more problems in school and other types of behavioral difficulties. But do those problems last into adulthood? A new study indicates that they do."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checku ... ids_f.html

4. His maternal uncle, Carson Cowles, said that he expressed concern about the social withdrawal of his then-nineteen-year-old nephew. -- Asperger's Syndrome?

5. "he still didn't have a job, a driver's license or anything like that and he just stayed in his room a lot of the time". -- Asperger's Syndrome? Social anxiety disorder?

6. When his sister planned to be married, he did not respond to her invitation to the event. -- Asperger's Syndrome?

7. Dylann Roof was likely subjected to the double whammy — he inherited a genetic predisposition to a personality disorder, and then experienced the terrible parenting of a sociopathic father. -- PTSD?

I maintain there was a perfect storm of issues in an unstable, under-developed mind, and this is the result.

Robin

I agree with K. He is exactly right that aspergers does not blind a person to knowing right from wrong.

But I would go beyond what K said.

You are making an argument that uses a dangerous line of reasoning that would lead to the very thing that you are so afraid of, and are trying protect against. And that thing is danger to people with mental conditions.

You are asking a court of law to make a precedent that associates aspergers with having homicidal tendencies.

That would encourage even more prejudice against aspies than there already is, and would play in to the hands of the very enemy that you are so afraid of.

Personally, Roof got his just deserts. I'm a staunch advocate of "let the punishment fit the crime." Before anyone calls me on the carpet, I've had murderous tendencies in the past, especially with former housemates and a former friend that thought it was funny to trigger my PTSD and anxiety by attempting to grab at my crotch, then laugh when I shoot him the I'm going to kill you look and raise my fist, while I'm trying to drive. There's been a few times I was tempted to purloin my former, as well as current, roommates service revolver (except they're State troopers, and lock their weapons up at the State Police barracks when off-duty.). I don't care if I'm committing justifiable homicide, I do The act, I deserve the punishment. (Yes, I'm my own worst enemy most of the time.)

It's not just the Asperger's that may have had his mind so addled. Throw in a dash of PTSD, a smidgen of OCD, a good dose of unstable home life, negligent parents, probably never had a girlfriend or even anyone to say they loved him, and what you get is a seriously disturbed young man who unleashed his anger, unfortunately, in the wrong direction.

Take me for instance. I'm an aspie, gay, immigrant, bipolar, profoundly depressed and anxious, PTSD, mixed race, alcoholic, drug addicted and homeless individual. In the past few years, psychologists and psychiatrists, cops and judges, can't get a bead on how to treat me.

I go to sleep at 10PM, then wake up around 1 or 2 AM and stay up the rest of the night because of bipolar. If that doesn't add enough to my instability, there's all that other mental sh*t I have to wrestle with every f*cking day.

So what have I done in the past few months?

1. Walked naked in public parks, the streets, and a supermarket.
2. Broke into a church.
3. Hopped over the fence of a police station and told the cops I was looking for one of their cars to kick the sideview mirrors off.
4. Broke two windows in a bank, then waited naked in the street for the police to arrest me, which they did.
5. After accidentally locking myself out of my car, somehow I ended up naked and in a hospital.
6. Vandalized the mall sign at the local mall.
7. Walked naked into several hospitals.
8. Stole food from a supermarket.
9. Walked naked into the same supermarket a week later and stole some chicken tenders.

What I'm saying is, one issue + another issue + another issue + another issue = a very untreatable individual. There are no paradigms or medical books for dealing with such a complicated person. Unfortunately, the best (and popular) way they seem to deal with the unstable is to put a bullet to their heads.

Right now, we as humans are WAY behind in treating acute, unusual confluence of mental illnesses. So we shoot the poor afflicted individual to death in the street.

We can do better.

Have you shot anyone with your Glock 41?

Are you planning to?

Do you have a web site where you advocate murderous violence against non-white people?

If you can't answer "yes" to at least two of those, I don't think you are at all like Mr. Roof in the salient characteristics.

Q: Have you shot anyone with your Glock 41?
A: I don't even have a gun, and will never want one. Same for knives.

Q: Are you planning to?
A: Nah. I'm all about peace and non-violence.

Q: Do you have a web site where you advocate murderous violence against non-white people?
A: Violence against my own people? I don't think so. My boyfriends have been Puerto Rican, Vietnamese and white. The longer-lasting ones were white; Irish, to be specific.

Sorry, but no violence for Robin. I'd like to add this, though.

I don't care what he has. Kill him.

If he's an Aspie with PTSD, kill him and tell him I said he deserves to die.

I'm an Aspie with PTSD. I have enough hate in my heart that, if Jesus was right, nothing can save me from Hell (can't repent a sin if you can't quit sinning it). I am the most hateful person I know. Sometimes I sit in my car an snarl racial epithets under my breath, not because I hate people of any particular color or ethnicity, but because other than children in general, my kids in particular, and a select few adults, I hate ALL people and have to bleed a little of that off somewhere.

I have not walked into a church and killed nine human beings on the basis of that hatred, or the color of their skin, or for any other reason. I have enough hate to do it. I just happen to know that it's wrong, and have enough self-control to sit in a chair and Google "hillbilly jokes" or "ret*d jokes" or "n****r jokes" or whatever instead. Or write about how much I hate people.

Or if, God forbid, I ever start to think killing for ANY reason other than the direct and immediate defense of my own life or that of my children is a real, literal, actual good idea, blow my own f*****g head off before hate gets the better of me.

Yeah, Robin, those are some freaky things. I hope no poorly educated cop shoots you for it. And if one does, I hope he goes on trial for murder. Because you're just stealing chicken tenders and breaking windows and showing off your wang. It might scare the f**k out of people, but it won't kill them. You're not violent, I hope you stay safe, and I hope someone figures out a way to get some of the demons out of your head (or at least get them good and stones so they sit around peaceably).

Hey-- my grandfather used to walk in his sleep and strip naked in front of picture windows. It got him locked up and possibly sterilized. He wasn't a threat to anyone's life. This kid SHOT NINE PEOPLE and, IIRC, said he'd do it again basically because he's proud to strike a blow for whiteness.

I might feel bad for him, but he's a rabid animal. You're just a twitchy old dog. A twitchy old dog needs a safe, warm, dry place to live out the remainder of its life. A rabid animal needs to be put down.