Trump calls GOP health care plan "mean"
Have you read the parable of the five talents, which Jesus told?
Fundies have a saying about spiritualizing the word --
ie. Here's what he said, but here's what he actually meant.
Did you expect to be held to any nameable rules or benchmarks, at all, or to sacrifice your personal wants, in obedience. I mean, what if you and God don't want the same thing. Who gets the priority.
Also, why do you need a Bible, if not for a fashion accessory. If you don't like it, why not be something else. Noone says you have to go, or to call yourself something you don't like to be.There's usually some sjw social function, or the Peace Corps? Some say the YMCA or navy?
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Fundies have a saying about spiritualizing the word --
ie. Here's what he said, but here's what he actually meant.
Did you expect to be held to any nameable rules or benchmarks, at all, or to sacrifice your personal wants, in obedience. I mean, what if you and God don't want the same thing. Who gets the priority.
Also, why do you need a Bible, if not for a fashion accessory. If you don't like it, why not be something else. Noone says you have to go, or to call yourself something you don't like to be.There's usually some sjw social function, or the Peace Corps? Some say the YMCA or navy?
Yeah, I know that parable. Christ was actually talking about faith, and going out into the world and putting your faith into action, instead of just hiding it away.
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But, you weren't interested in that, except as a virtue signal, with no physical commitment; are you really going to do all that, now.
"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."
Churches really aren't very charitable, and are, in fact, failing. Hence, the government must step in.
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But, you weren't interested in that, except as a virtue signal, with no physical commitment; are you really going to do all that, now.
"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."
Churches really aren't very charitable, and are, in fact, failing. Hence, the government must step in.
Decades ago, when Reagan had had the silly assed idea about ending medicare, social security, and the rest of the federal safety net, and allowing the churches to handle the load, Lutheran and Catholic charities took him aside, and informed him that there was no way they, or any other church body, would be able to handle the national load of needy people.
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But, you weren't interested in that, except as a virtue signal, with no physical commitment; are you really going to do all that, now.
"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."
Churches really aren't very charitable, and are, in fact, failing. Hence, the government must step in.
Decades ago, when Reagan had had the silly assed idea about ending medicare, social security, and the rest of the federal safety net, and allowing the churches to handle the load, Lutheran and Catholic charities took him aside, and informed him that there was no way they, or any other church body, would be able to handle the national load of needy people.
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If Trump really wants to impress me, he should be pushing for single payer healthcare, like what most civilized countries have. He's not gonna do it, because somehow America is allergic to the idea, but still.
I honestly feel like Trump doesn't really care about anyone but himself, and that for him, his ego comes before everything else. If what he's doing is unpopular with people, then that bruises his ego and he thinks "oh s**t I need to get people to like me again".
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Every day is exactly the same...
If you work with this premise then much of what will come next won't be a surprise
Would that have anything to do with intentionally demoralizing, and impoverishing people, in order to create a secular welfare state?
How many can you rescue, before criticizing others. Do you practice what you preach, under voluntarism, or must you be coerced, by state interests, until every last person is successful. Also, are you under a vow of abject poverty, like an ascetic.
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Would that have anything to do with intentionally demoralizing, and impoverishing people, in order to create a secular welfare state?
How many can you rescue, before criticizing others. Do you practice what you preach, under voluntarism, or must you be coerced, by state interests, until every last person is successful. Also, are you under a vow of abject poverty, like an ascetic.
I never once said there was anything wrong with volunteerism, as every little bit helps. And in fact, I didn't post that line that you had attributed to me, as it was part of a preexisting quote that my own post had piggybacked on. Just the same, there's only so much individuals and private institutions can do, whereas the government has a much wider scope and greater reach when it comes to helping those in need.
The charge that federal programs destroys incentive to volunteer is without basis, and is only used as a pretext to oppose said government programs.
Incidentally, I've found that people who want the feds to leave helping out the needy to stay out of the equation are the very same who want to deny those very same needy of help, and in fact rub salt into the wound by shaming them for needing help.
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I have only germinated about 6, so far.
Also, may I take legal credit for all the labor, which they have performed, for your intellectual property, the land, and the matériel.
Why or why or why not?
Does anti-social behavior, on my part, make me seem more agreeable.
Why, or why not.
Way to change the subject after I blew your nonsensical assertions out of the water! Good job.
The point is, there is no way to justify depriving needy people of basic resources like food or even healthcare. Thanks to technology the labor one person can feed thousands and produce vast amounts of excess wealth.
Even if you want to push some sort of twisted argument about fairness and who's entitled to the benefits of that operation I described, it still fails.
By not paying a living wage and or providing health insurance, my boss was creating a burden on society because society had to subsidize his employees with things like medicaid and SNAP. My employer directly benefited from this because he needs well fed, healthy employees to work for him.
Therefore, fairness demands that he should either compensate his employees adequately OR he should pay an adequate amount of taxes to compensate the state for their subsidies--not to mention other things such as schools, roads, police and fire protection, and court systems that allow him to run a successful business.
As Elizabeth Warren observed:
Capitalist parasites need to pay their employees, or pay their goddamn taxes.
As people on the right are so fond of pointing out, there's no free lunch.
If people do not want to contribute to the common good of society, they need to pull a John Galt and GET THE f**k OUT. Then we'll see who actually suffers for it...
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No man is free who is not master of himself.~Epictetus
I have just stepped away from the computer to help someone, literally, for real, in person, and received verbal abuse for that, on my end.
Neither of you wanted to give up anything, when you were put on the spot.
So, I guess that one disinterested person is lecturing another disinterested person, at this point in the discussion. I'm really not any better than you are, because I don't feel like helping, either.
If they've made themselves sufficiently clear, you can lock the thread, afaic.
I know that you don't like to remove profiles.
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I have only germinated about 6, so far.
Also, may I take legal credit for all the labor, which they have performed, for your intellectual property, the land, and the matériel.
Why or why or why not?
Does anti-social behavior, on my part, make me seem more agreeable.
Why, or why not.
Way to change the subject after I blew your nonsensical assertions out of the water! Good job.
The point is, there is no way to justify depriving needy people of basic resources like food or even healthcare. Thanks to technology the labor one person can feed thousands and produce vast amounts of excess wealth.
Even if you want to push some sort of twisted argument about fairness and who's entitled to the benefits of that operation I described, it still fails.
By not paying a living wage and or providing health insurance, my boss was creating a burden on society because society had to subsidize his employees with things like medicaid and SNAP. My employer directly benefited from this because he needs well fed, healthy employees to work for him.
Therefore, fairness demands that he should either compensate his employees adequately OR he should pay an adequate amount of taxes to compensate the state for their subsidies--not to mention other things such as schools, roads, police and fire protection, and court systems that allow him to run a successful business.
As Elizabeth Warren observed:
Capitalist parasites need to pay their employees, or pay their goddamn taxes.
As people on the right are so fond of pointing out, there's no free lunch.
If people do not want to contribute to the common good of society, they need to pull a John Galt and GET THE f**k OUT. Then we'll see who actually suffers for it...
Sir, I salute you for that statement!
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So, just to be obnoxiously-clear, then, you do believe in private property, afterall. I shouldn't commit theft, in the name of the greater good.
I do not have a problem with survivable wages, and I am a legal employer. I am formally allowed to put people on a pay-roll. I have said, before, that even slaves and peasants were entitled to life support. So is a beast of burden, and a food animal. You would maintain an inanimate tool, and keep it out of the sun. So, why not the human.
I just don't believe that competitive employment can exist, when there is endless credit and social welfare. It's impossible for me to earn, by the sweat of my brow, as much as any careless person can borrow. So, the cost of basic things has no limit.
I have never personally known any person, on any of these programs, without lots of luxuries, although their slack drives up expenses.
Now, let's be mean, but just for hyperbole. Let's take the healthy and the lecher off public assistance.
Could you afford to work for the naughty slumlord, slavedriver employer. Or, does the situation force him to rework his business model.
Will you feed a real bastard, or will everyone have to be very-sociable.
I am constructive and will render help, where it is deserved and appreciated. I am the person you want for a boss, coworker, or neighbor.
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I do not have a problem with survivable wages, and I am a legal employer. I am formally allowed to put people on a pay-roll. I have said, before, that even slaves and peasants were entitled to life support. So is a beast of burden, and a food animal. You would maintain an inanimate tool, and keep it out of the sun. So, why not the human.
I just don't believe that competitive employment can exist, when there is endless credit and social welfare. It's impossible for me to earn, by the sweat of my brow, as much as any careless person can borrow. So, the cost of basic things has no limit.
I have never personally known any person, on any of these programs, without lots of luxuries, although their slack drives up expenses.
Now, let's be mean, but just for hyperbole. Let's take the healthy and the lecher off public assistance.
Could you afford to work for the naughty slumlord, slavedriver employer. Or, does the situation force him to rework his business model.
Will you feed a real bastard, or will everyone have to be very-sociable.
I am constructive and will render help, where it is deserved and appreciated. I am the person you want for a boss, coworker, or neighbor.
Again, the primary reason why people need public assistance is because business has failed to share the wealth. Did you know that that a$$hole mine owner who went to prison for withholding safety measures for the sake of a buck is still getting his eighty million dollar golden parachute? Just think how many coal miner's jobs could be saved if that money could have been redirected to them. Sure, not every businessman is of that low caliber, but unfortunately too many are.
If someone will go without food and medical care without help, they're deserving.
As for so called slackers enjoying luxuries - why can't people have nice things every once in a while? I know of no law saying you have to have x amount of wealth before you can have a blu-ray player.
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