Breaking: Active Shooter(s) In Mandalay Bay Hotel (NSFW)
10 Oct 2017, 11:32 am
I think SH90's theory, t'ward the beginning of this thread, that he stopped shooting cuz the authorities found him, and that the gunman figured more officers would follow, is plausible----even your own article says that the sheriff said that he (the sheriff) assumed Paddock stopped the shooting when he observed the security guard, and that he thought that Paddock feared he was about to be breached.
As for why he killed himself: That's FAR from unusual, IMO, as most of these mass murderers, do that----as I was just saying, several pages back, one reason might be because when they kill themselves, they are ending their life, on THEIR terms (as opposed to be taken-out, by the police), and that's much preferable, to them.
This seems unlikely, as the hotel cameras in the hall (assuming there ARE hotel cameras) would've shown someone else entering and leaving, Paddock's room----and, your theory of the police/FBI doing it, seems unlikely, to me, as well; I mean, what would be the reason, for that (the police/FBI doing it)?
Yeah, I heard both of these things, as well----I was VERY excited to hear they were calling phone numbers, they had found.
As for him being a mathematician and crunching numbers, that's not so unbelievable to me, because of all the other great detail he had put into his entire plan, for this event.
Of COURSE they're being theorists (I know you said "conspiracy theorist", but I don't look at it, like that)----that's what they HAVE TO do, to try and piece all of this, together.
HE DIDN'T STOP SHOOTING BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THE AUTHORITIES FOUND HIM.
With the new information, Paddock shot the security guard THEN proceeded to shoot the people. And explain how Paddock could shoot 200 ROUNDS into the hallway and only shoot the guard in the leg.
There is something that happened during that whole 75 minutes. WHEN PADDOCK SHOT THE SECURITY GUARD THROWS THE TIMELINE COMPLETELY OFF.
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10 Oct 2017, 11:38 am
They kept saying they were wondering how Paddock got all of those guns up to the room. They also said that someone used the card to enter Paddocks room when he was gone. What if Paddock was used and someone else actually did do the shooting?
I've read, different places, that he was said to have taken 10-15 suitcases, up to his room----so, that seems to indicate how he got the guns, up there.
As for someone else doing the shooting: How could the person just vanish into thin air? I'm not disputing it, I'm just wanting to know more of your line-of-thinking.
That would mean the police or the FBI or both were in on it.
I don't see how someone could've planted all those guns and equipment, and stuff, without Paddock discovering them, when he returned to his room.
As for someone else shooting Paddock: I'm thinking the autopsy could confirm how he was shot----the trajectory would be different if someone opened his mouth, and shot him; and, I feel the wound would reflect that.
What do you think could be gained by the police or FBI, doing this? Again, I'm not disputing it, I'm just curious, as to your thinking.....
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The keycard, that somebody else used, could hold more of a clue, in that, IIRC, what I've read said that someone entered his room, when he was gone----but, I don't know that they were specific in that the person LEFT the room, while he was gone. Maybe that was part of his "rape fantasy", that he would return to the room with the prostitute already there.
Also, I wonder if there is a correlation to when someone else entered his room, and the room service receipt----but, I'm sure they already thought-of / dismissed that.....
The authorities said that someone used the card to get into Paddocks room when he was gone. That could be how the guns got in the room.
I keep saying it over and over and no one has any explanation for what happened during the 75 minutes. Now with the new information of when the security guard got shot, the timeline goes: Paddock shot 200 rounds into the hallway and hit the security guard in the leg (could he even shoot a gun for Christ's sake?), THEN he proceeded to shoot the crowd for 11 min, then the police never entered the room for 75 MINUTES.
WOULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS SCENARIO PLEASE?! And tell me how a second person or the police or the FBI couldn't be involved.
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10 Oct 2017, 11:39 am
Maybe his aim sucked at that point? Maybe the security guard was adept in evading most of the bullets? Who knows?
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10 Oct 2017, 11:40 am
They kept saying they were wondering how Paddock got all of those guns up to the room. They also said that someone used the card to enter Paddocks room when he was gone. What if Paddock was used and someone else actually did do the shooting?
I've read, different places, that he was said to have taken 10-15 suitcases, up to his room----so, that seems to indicate how he got the guns, up there.
As for someone else doing the shooting: How could the person just vanish into thin air? I'm not disputing it, I'm just wanting to know more of your line-of-thinking.
That would mean the police or the FBI or both were in on it.
I don't see how someone could've planted all those guns and equipment, and stuff, without Paddock discovering them, when he returned to his room.
As for someone else shooting Paddock: I'm thinking the autopsy could confirm how he was shot----the trajectory would be different if someone opened his mouth, and shot him; and, I feel the wound would reflect that.
What do you think could be gained by the police or FBI, doing this? Again, I'm not disputing it, I'm just curious, as to your thinking.....
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The keycard, that somebody else used, could hold more of a clue, in that, IIRC, what I've read said that someone entered his room, when he was gone----but, I don't know that they were specific in that the person LEFT the room, while he was gone. Maybe that was part of his "rape fantasy", that he would return to the room with the prostitute already there.
Also, I wonder if there is a correlation to when someone else entered his room, and the room service receipt----but, I'm sure they already thought-of / dismissed that.....
If it is anything like what happened to Scalia, Paddock may not even get an autopsy and if he does, we aren't going to be told what really happened. It's starting to sound like you trust the government and the authorities way too much.
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10 Oct 2017, 11:42 am
200 shots?! I could have killed the guard 10 times over and I do not consider myself a really good shot at all.
AND somebody better know. It's because of that kind of thinking that most of this crap gets shoved under the carpet. I know that what really happened would be important to the people who got killed and their families. Everyone is just too quick to move on as long as the problem doesn't involve them.
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10 Oct 2017, 11:49 am
I don't blame anybody for wanting a thorough investigation. I wish there would be more transparency. There are times, though, when things are concealed for various plausible reasons.
Who knows? Maybe there was some sort of "cover-up." But I don't see why there should be one, in this case.
In a sense, it's rather like the allegation that humans never reached the Moon. Why would anybody want to waste their time with the elaborate cover-up which would have been necessary?
10 Oct 2017, 12:24 pm
Who knows? Maybe there was some sort of "cover-up." But I don't see why there should be one, in this case.
In a sense, it's rather like the allegation that humans never reached the Moon. Why would anybody want to waste their time with the elaborate cover-up which would have been necessary?
The moon is a totally different subject. The shooting involves the here and now and if possible terrorism was involved or something else. Do you know that one of Obama's daughters was at a place Paddock had thought of shooting up? Maybe it was politically motivated to be carried out by ISIS.
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11 Oct 2017, 12:08 am
"Lombardo also acknowledged Monday that authorities had another key fact wrong. Paddock checked in to Mandalay Bay on Sept. 25 — three days earlier than originally reported. That means the 64-year-old gunman had been staying in the hotel for nearly a week before the Sunday night attack".
https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-details- ... 27228.html
11 Oct 2017, 12:15 am
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/las-ve ... index.html
So why would the guard "discover him"?
I don't know, but Paddock reportedly had set up cameras in the hall and he shot at the guard through the door, so clearly he was exposed at that point. My guess would be this forced him to put his plan into action sooner than expected.
I found it ..
" Paddock, who had installed three cameras to monitor the approach to his suite, opened fire through the door, spraying 200 shots down the hall and wounding the guard, who alerted other security officials".
http://time.com/4975397/las-vegas-shoot ... -timeline/
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11 Oct 2017, 2:06 am
Very little about this story makes sense. It is almost like law enforcement is intentionally sending out signals that we are covering up a false flag.
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12 Oct 2017, 11:21 am
"MGM on Wednesday confirmed that Paddock had been escorted twice in the freight elevator with his baggage".
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... g-timeline
13 Oct 2017, 4:15 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... g-timeline
Only in America.
Excuse me, can I get some help carrying my guns to my room?
Certainly sir. I'll get somebody to help you with that right now. It looks like you have quite a lot of them. I think we will use the freight elevator.
13 Oct 2017, 7:12 pm
READ THAT LAST SENTENCE AT THE BOTTOM FROM THE SHERIFF. IN MY OPINION, IF THEY HAVE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES BY SAYING THAT THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY - THEN THAT MEANS THERE MOST LIKELY IS A CONSPIRACY.
Another Shift in Las Vegas Timeline Caps Days of Confusion.
The Las Vegas police again revised the timeline of the Oct. 1 shooting at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, saying on Friday that Stephen Paddock shot at a security guard on his hotel floor at approximately the same time he began to spray bullets on the crowd below.
The gunman shot the guard, Jesus Campos, at about 10:05 p.m., said Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, not at 9:59 p.m., as he had told reporters on Monday.
The announcement came a day after MGM Resorts, which owns Mandalay Bay, disputed the police department’s timeline, saying in a statement that the 9:59 time had come from a hotel report “manually created after the fact” and was not accurate.
During a short news conference on Friday, the sheriff said he was “absolutely offended,” by allegations of incompetence within the department, and said that the shifting timeline was a result of the vast scope of the investigation, and not an attempt to mislead anyone about the circumstances of the attack.
“This is a very dynamic event,” he said. “A very big event. Thousands of people involved — humans involved — in documentation.”
The announcement caps almost two weeks of confusion about the chronology of the shooting, in which Stephen Paddock, a high-stakes gambler, hauled powerful weapons into the gold-paneled hotel and casino, pointed them out the window of a 32nd-floor suite and shot at thousands of people below.
Mr. Paddock killed 58 people and injured about 500. Investigators said they still did not know his motive.
The back-and-forth is a sign of the complexity of the case and the amount of information investigators are sifting through as they try to unravel what happened. Sheriff Lombardo has said that his team is examining more than 20,000 pieces of evidence, patching together information from hotel cameras, private cameras, police body cameras, police dispatch and witness interviews.
On Monday, Sheriff Lombardo said Mr. Campos was shot at 9:59 p.m., approximately six minutes before Mr. Paddock began firing out his window. That announcement revised an earlier timeline, given by the police on Oct. 4, that said Mr. Campos was shot after Mr. Paddock stopped firing on the crowd at 10:15 p.m.
Sheriff Lombardo said on Friday that the security guard, Mr. Campos, notified the hotel both by radio and cellphone that he had been fired upon shortly after he had been shot. But he did not say when the resort notified the police department.
The sheriff, alluding to allegations of a conspiracy between his department, the F.B.I., and the MGM company — supposedly in an effort to protect the company from legal action — said, “there is no conspiracy.”
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13 Oct 2017, 7:30 pm
WTH?!
Evidently, Paddock had two rooms. Did anyone else know that? From the 25th to the 28th he had received a free room then switched to the other room on the 32nd floor suite adding Danley's name to the reservation.
MIGHT THAT FIRST ROOM HAVE BEEN ON THE 4TH FLOOR?!
AND, they said that the security guard got shot AT THE SAME TIME as shots were being fired on the crowd.
MIGHT THAT MEAN THERE WERE TWO SHOOTERS?!
The sheriff got agitated and refused to answer any questions.
CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY!!
At a news conference, a sometimes combative and at times emotional Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said MGM Resorts International had the correct timeline of events surrounding the Oct. 1 Strip attack.
“I’m not in conflict with their statement,” Lombardo confirmed, following a weeklong dispute over the timeline of events that occurred the night of the shooting.
The sheriff said Monday that Stephen Paddock shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos at 9:59 p.m., about six minutes before the gunman turned his weapons on the Route 91 Harvest festival crowd below his hotel suite. He previously reported Campos was shot after the attack on the concert crowd.
Twice this week, MGM Resorts disputed Lombardo’s revised timeline. The company, which owns Mandalay Bay, released the following details Thursday:
“The 9:59 p.m. PDT time was derived from a Mandalay Bay report manually created after the fact without the benefit of information we now have. We are now confident that the time stated in this report is not accurate. We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after, the time Jesus Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio.”
Agreeing with MGM Resorts’ statement that Campos was hit about the same time shots were fired into the festival crowd, Lombardo said Friday the guard was shot at about 10:05 p.m. The 9:59 p.m. timestamp, according to Lombardo, instead referred to the time when Campos encountered a barricaded door.
The sheriff did not clarify where that barricaded door was located, but said Campos was forced to a higher level of the hotel in order to gain access to the 32nd floor.
Lombardo revealed at the Monday news conference that Paddock checked in to Mandalay Bay on Sept. 25, three days earlier than previously reported.
Officials still have not said where in the hotel the gunman’s first room was, but that it was rented to him free of charge between Sept. 25 and Sept. 28, when he switched to the corner suite and added Marilou Danley’s name to the reservation.
No questions
Before ending the news conference without taking questions from reporters, the agitated sheriff addressed criticism of his team’s investigation surfacing online.
“In the public space, the word ‘incompetence’ has been brought forward,” he said. “And I am absolutely offended with that characterization
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