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Esmerelda Weatherwax
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17 Feb 2018, 6:55 pm

In response to the shooting, a woman in Michigan has mailed her Congressman a check, made out for "thoughts and prayers".

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17 Feb 2018, 6:55 pm

ASAN Statement on Gun Violence Prevention Following Parkland Mass Shooting

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The Autistic Self Advocacy Network (ASAN) joins the nation in mourning the loss of the seventeen men, women, and children who were murdered on February 14, 2017 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. As in all mass shootings, these deaths were tragic, senseless, and preventable. We call on Congress and law enforcement to take common-sense legislative and administrative steps to reduce the likelihood of another tragic, unnecessary loss of life.

Like the majority of Americans, we believe that the current epidemic of mass gun violence is unacceptable and must be addressed through effective gun policy. Policy solutions should target the most common and accurate predictors of gun violence, such as: a history of violent behavior, including history of domestic violence; a history of violent threats; and a history of participation in violent organizations or hate groups. We support efforts to ensure that such behavior is included in the databases used for background checks, and to expand the use of background checks at the point of sale. Gun safety experts have identified a number of additional common-sense steps lawmakers can take to reduce gun violence—and these recommendations are supported by the vast majority of Americans. We urge Congress to act. We should not live in a society where it is as easy to buy a weapon of war as it is to buy groceries.

However, ASAN opposes false solutions based on harmful myths about violence and people with disabilities, including those of us with mental health disabilities. An overwhelming number of research studies1 have found that people with mental health disabilities are no more likely to commit violent acts than anyone else. In fact, we are much more likely to be the victims of a violent crime than the perpetrators.2 (ASAN has prepared a summary of the research on this topic available here.)

This is why, in 2017, ASAN supported a Congressional resolution which reversed a discriminatory regulation against people with disabilities. If implemented, this regulation would have placed people with disabilities who get help managing their benefits into the national instant criminal background check system (NICS). People who need help managing benefits pose absolutely no elevated risk of gun-related violence. This regulation infringed on the due process rights of people with disabilities, including people with mental health disabilities. It deprived people of a right other American citizens possess, solely on the basis of our need for a particular support service. Moreover, because some jobs are unavailable to people whose names have been placed on the NICS registry, the regulation would have cut off access to employment opportunities for people who already face steep barriers to employment.

Policies like these set a dangerous precedent for the rights of people with disabilities. If our disabilities are considered legitimate reasons to restrict our civil rights, then people with disabilities no longer have equal protection under the law. As a disability rights organization, we find this prospect unacceptable.

Using legislation to take rights away from people with disabilities is a common tactic used by legislators who want to appear as if they have taken decisive action, rather than actually take the steps necessary to solve a particular problem. We cannot afford to reach for such shallow and baseless “quick fix” solutions to a problem that, if left unaddressed, will lead to the loss of hundreds of innocent lives a year. The Autistic Self Advocacy Network urges Congress to take real action to prevent gun violence and mass shootings by targeting proven risk factors. For more information on ASAN’s positions on what can be done to truly prevent gun violence, contact Samantha Crane, our Director of Legal and Public Policy, at [email protected].


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17 Feb 2018, 7:41 pm

Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:
In response to the shooting, a woman in Michigan has mailed her Congressman a check, made out for "thoughts and prayers".

Newsweek article with check image


I need to send that to my representative, Cathy McMoron Rodgers, R.


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17 Feb 2018, 8:34 pm

the gun control debate was lost here in amuuurica, once a critical mass of amuuuricans decided they could live with periodic mass murder.



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17 Feb 2018, 8:37 pm

auntblabby wrote:
the gun control debate was lost here in amuuurica, once a critical mass of amuuuricans decided they could live with periodic mass murder.


... and then they claim that they are being "taxed to death".

Republican Logic: Taxing people is death. Literally killing people is collateral damage.


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17 Feb 2018, 8:43 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
the gun control debate was lost here in amuuurica, once a critical mass of amuuuricans decided they could live with periodic mass murder.


... and then they claim that they are being "taxed to death".

Republican Logic: Taxing people is death. Literally killing people is collateral damage.

god forbid, If it happens to one of the 1%ers, the windstorm caused by their [bought and paid for pols] sudden hypocritical 180 degree pivot would topple buildings for miles around. as long as it's just us 99%ers ventilating each other only, it doesn't affect them and they could not care less, as they think there are too many of us in the first place.



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17 Feb 2018, 9:06 pm

It's already happened to James Brady (Reagan's Press Secretary), Gabby Giffords (D-AZ former Congresswoman), Steve Scalise (Congressman, R-LA). The late Mr. Brady (dec. 2014) and Ms. Giffords had, or have, horrendous brain damage as a result.

Their colleagues essentially yawned and went on with business as usual. (Brady was wounded by Hinckley, in the assassination attempt on Reagan).

Mr. Brady and his wife, Sarah (also deceased, 2015) founded the Brady Campaign
( http://www.bradycampaign.org/ ) against gun violence. The organization continues.


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17 Feb 2018, 9:09 pm

^^^I lack the words to properly describe that magnitude of evil. it numbs the cognitions.



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17 Feb 2018, 9:10 pm

Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:
It's already happened to James Brady (Reagan's Press Secretary), Gabby Giffords (D-AZ former Congresswoman), Steve Scalise (Congressman, R-LA). The late Mr. Brady (dec. 2014) and Ms. Giffords had, or have, horrendous brain damage as a result.

Their colleagues essentially yawned and went on with business as usual. (Brady was wounded by Hinckley, in the assassination attempt on Reagan).

Mr. Brady and his wife, Sarah (also deceased, 2015) founded the Brady Campaign
( http://www.bradycampaign.org/ ) against gun violence. The organization continues.


When Mrs Brady had passed away, and I wrote a post commemorating her, you wouldn't believe how hard two of the resident gun nuts came down on me.


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17 Feb 2018, 9:12 pm

@Kraichgauer: yeah I would. Reasons cited below.

@AuntBlabby: It's the same old song: "Only I am a human being. The rest of you are furniture. I am special and superior, and the universe protects me from misfortune, therefore I need never concern myself with it."

Basically, hypermalignant narcissism.


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17 Feb 2018, 9:13 pm

joseph welch had choice words for a similar type, back in the day.



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17 Feb 2018, 9:56 pm

We live a couple of hours from the site of the shooting. Our school district sent out an automated call on Thursday discussing a rumor about plans for an attack on a district high school later that day. My daughter said every phone in her classroom rang at once with that call and people freaked out. She already struggles with anxiety, as do so many other students, so I have no idea why the superintendant thought that call was a good idea. I’ve heard attendance was down by 50% in many schools on Friday. Sigh. I fervently hope I’m wrong, but the cynical voice in my head says this is just going to happen again soon somewhere else.

My daughter said something about this that struck me. We take people in a difficult period of their lives, with raging hormones and high levels of stress and immature impulse control, and force thousands of them together in tight confines for eight hours a day and call it education. Is this really the best way to educate kids?

There’s no simple reason why we have so many shooters today, gun laws, culture, environment all play a role, but as a society we can do more than nothing. Thoughts and prayers? Faith without works is dead.


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17 Feb 2018, 10:08 pm

You know what's missing? Those heartless, brainless idiots who scream that the shooting was a false flag operation, in which the the victims and shooter had never existed, and that the grieving families are just paid actors. I wonder if that's because their orange messiah has already confirmed that it did in fact happen.


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17 Feb 2018, 10:13 pm

Check out this cartoonists editorial about it that’s going viral:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/brit ... -1.4540961


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17 Feb 2018, 10:23 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
You know what's missing? Those heartless, brainless idiots who scream that the shooting was a false flag operation, in which the the victims and shooter had never existed, and that the grieving families are just paid actors. I wonder if that's because their orange messiah has already confirmed that it did in fact happen.

those are the exact same type who deny the Shoah. that is who we are dealing with now.



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17 Feb 2018, 10:25 pm

auntblabby wrote:
the gun control debate was lost here in amuuurica, once a critical mass of amuuuricans decided they could live with periodic mass murder.

This did not happen before "gun control" started.
From the 1950’s through July 10th of 2016, 98.4 percent of mass shootings as defined by the FBI have occurred on gun-free zones.
Gunfree zones are open invitations to evil people. Do you really believe school children should be left defenseless?


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