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28 Nov 2011, 2:37 pm

I don't know who is a Marlene Fisher. Let me look that up. No dice, google yields impertinent results. Please clarify.

I am fairly certain the guy was withdrawing from crack or something similar. His hands were shaking pretty bad. He was not rational. I doubt the legal consequences of imprisonment or capital punishment ever crossed his mind. Consequences are largely unimportant to the desperate.

Yes, I did show him my empty wallet as I talked.

It was not my rational argument that swayed him. It was my lack of hostility, and lack of reaction in the face of hostility. Talking calmly was the way I failed to react in a predictable manner.

The situation was scary for me, but only after the fact when the adrenaline wore off and I worried that I might have killed him against my own will. That I have that capability in me. That's scary.

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28 Nov 2011, 2:39 pm

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Well, he wouldn't be likely to victimize you either in the first place if he knew you had a gun.

By victimise do you just mean rob? Because that's pretty harmless, and in most places rare. Murder is worse than robbery, don't you think? I suppose if you were afraid of robbery you'd risk a higher chance of death to avoid robbery. Yeah, let's say in an American town you have a 10% chance of being robbed and a 0.1% chance of being killed, but if you carry a gun you have a 1% chance of robbery and a 1% chance of being killed. You'd probably take that even though your chances of being killed increased tenfold, because 10% is the only number you're really feeling there.

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28 Nov 2011, 2:41 pm

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Why do you assume that legalising something means it can't be regulated?

It would have been f**king brilliant if the shopkeepers were armed during the riots, I would have loved to watch the rioters get shot as they tried to steal from hard working people and burn down the homes of innocent families. The riots would have been over a lot quicker too - the pathetic half-wits wouldn't have looked so tough against an AK47, I'm sure.

In fact, a game called Shoot the Rioters would be brilliant as well. It could be the next Call of Duty :wink:

Violence only begets more violence so if shopkeepers armed themselves, criminals would also arm themselves and it would escalate the rate of crime, the situation would have been much more difficult to control if firearms had been present and many more lives of innocent people and police officers may have been lost. I believe the UK police only use guns as a last resort or if it is completely necessary to do so, It's also far easier to restrain and control a group of unarmed criminals than it is to restrain an armed criminal or a group of armed criminals. I don't believe in legalizing any weapon, let me show you a chart that proves a firearm ban is good.

I don't see the United Kingdom on that list, in fact the United Kingdom is 39th on that list, right at the bottom of the chart.

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28 Nov 2011, 2:42 pm

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I don't know who is a Marlene Fisher. Let me look that up. No dice, google yields impertinent results. Please clarify.

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28 Nov 2011, 3:45 pm

9, 369 murders by firearms in one year.

Thats the "Doh" moment

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I don't see the United Kingdom on that list, in fact the United Kingdom is 39th on that list, right at the bottom of the chart.

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28 Nov 2011, 4:01 pm

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I don't believe in legalizing any weapon, let me show you a chart that proves a firearm ban is good.

I don't see the United Kingdom on that list, in fact the United Kingdom is 39th on that list, right at the bottom of the chart.

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28 Nov 2011, 4:16 pm

Now there is something missing in this thread too.

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28 Nov 2011, 4:22 pm

Asp-Z, reports of isolated events prove the existence of those events but not the prevalence. Again, simple logic error.

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28 Nov 2011, 4:25 pm

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Asp-Z, reports of isolated events prove the existence of those events but not the prevalence. Again, simple logic error.

Bulls**t, I was able to find 12 shootings in the last month alone from one search on the BBC site, and if I dug around Google News I'm sure I could find a damn lot more. Graphs don't mean anything, statistics are easily manipulated, and I don't even know the source of your information. Look at actual real world incidents from reputable news sources.

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28 Nov 2011, 4:25 pm

The chart gives 14 murders with firearms for that year - why would you think they didn't happen in the real world? who said they didn't happen in the real world, with real blood, real damage to a human body, real death and real mourning and grief? All f*****g real. But 14 horrific times, not 10,000 horrific times.

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28 Nov 2011, 4:27 pm

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The chart gives 14 murders with firearms for that year - why would you think they didn't happen in the real world? who said they didn't happen in the real world, with real blood, real damage to a human body, real death and real mourning and grief? All f***ing real. But 14 horrific times, not 10,000 horrific times.

And I just found 12 shootings in the past month alone from a simple BBC search...

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28 Nov 2011, 4:29 pm

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And I just found 12 shootings in the past month alone from a simple BBC search...

Out of a population of how many? Only 12 shootings seems like a very low number.

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28 Nov 2011, 4:29 pm

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The chart gives 14 murders with firearms for that year - why would you think they didn't happen in the real world? who said they didn't happen in the real world, with real blood, real damage to a human body, real death and real mourning and grief? All f***ing real. But 14 horrific times, not 10,000 horrific times.

And I just found 12 shootings in the past month alone from a simple BBC search...

SOURCE: The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

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28 Nov 2011, 4:31 pm

Im not denying your results from BBC via your Google search

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28 Nov 2011, 4:32 pm

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Asp-Z wrote:

pastafarian wrote:

The chart gives 14 murders with firearms for that year - why would you think they didn't happen in the real world? who said they didn't happen in the real world, with real blood, real damage to a human body, real death and real mourning and grief? All f***ing real. But 14 horrific times, not 10,000 horrific times.

And I just found 12 shootings in the past month alone from a simple BBC search...

SOURCE: The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

2002 you say? Why use such outdated stats? My detailed reports of each incident are from the very last month. What things were like in 2002 bares very little relevance almost a whole decade later.

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28 Nov 2011, 4:36 pm

Asp-Z wrote:

pastafarian wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

pastafarian wrote:

The chart gives 14 murders with firearms for that year - why would you think they didn't happen in the real world? who said they didn't happen in the real world, with real blood, real damage to a human body, real death and real mourning and grief? All f***ing real. But 14 horrific times, not 10,000 horrific times.

And I just found 12 shootings in the past month alone from a simple BBC search...

SOURCE: The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

2002 you say? Why use such outdated stats? My detailed reports of each incident are from the very last month. What things were like in 2002 bares very little relevance almost a whole decade later.

Yeah cos gun crime has gone down a lot in those years in the US????

In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.

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