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Which country do you support???
I support Russia. 33%  33%  [ 3 ]
I support Georgia. 67%  67%  [ 6 ]
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15 Aug 2008, 8:25 pm

I support Georgia myself though both are guilty of causing this problem I think Russia was looking for an excuse to show off its military might.

Who do you support and why???



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15 Aug 2008, 8:26 pm

Eh... Feel bad about the whole situation. To me it seems an omen. :(


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15 Aug 2008, 8:52 pm

I'm lost...can you post a link? Is this current events or somehting? I rarely ever watch TV and never watch the news.



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15 Aug 2008, 8:57 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/14/georgia.russia.refugees/index.html

Gist of the story there, even though main topic is about refugees.


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15 Aug 2008, 9:36 pm

Well, on the one hand (I'm a US citizen):
The United States had constantly been telling Georgia not to do anything stupid in regards to provoking Russia. GEorge didn't listen. It's kind of like a "I-told-you-so" moment. However, Georgia is our (The U.S.'s) ally, no? Addtionally, from what I've heard on the news, Georgia was goaded into this by the Russians, so perhaps the Russians, not the Georgians, are at fault. Finally, the Georgians want to hold on to their territory.

Now, consider the Russians' side for a moment: They were attacked to begin with/something provocative happened towards them by Georgia. They want these territories because they are sympathizers with Russia. They used massive retaliatory forces, by the problem is: did they push it too far? I could understand driving the Georgians out of South Ossetia and the other territory (forget its name). However, it seems like they want to conquer ALL of Georgia.

At last, we come to my stance. The Russians have used excessive force, in my opinion, but does that necessarily make them "wrong?" It is difficult to tell. Back in the old times (think Pre/slightly Post WWII era), countries used to invade and conquer other countries. If we apply that standard, the Russians are clearly doing the right thing! HOWEVER, when we consider that such attempts to conquer other countries who are allied with big powers have created massive, global, World Wars at times, I think that the Russians overextended themselves. But are the Georgians in the "right?" Clearly, they have a right to defend their territories, yet at the same time they did something in response to a Russian provocation, and everyone had warned them AGAINST doing such things. This leads me to believe that, for the sake of not starting a potential WWIII, I should side with Georgia. However, neither side seems to be completely in the right and completely in the wrong. I think, because of the excessive use of force that I percieve, the Russians are in the wrong; hence, I will side with Georgia.

My opinion is, of course, open for debate. THis is a limited understanding of the situation, having watched US news (particularly CNN), so I am not sure of all of the facts. But I hope that others can further elucidate the situation for me.



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15 Aug 2008, 10:16 pm

-JR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/14/georgia.russia.refugees/index.html

Gist of the story there, even though main topic is about refugees.


Thanks. I guess I would have to vote indifference.



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15 Aug 2008, 10:32 pm

I support innocent citizens from both Georgia and Russia.

I rarely watch TV because it's full of crap, but I'm almost sure this is a stupid political conflict.



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16 Aug 2008, 4:01 am

The thing at scared me most with this, is the telephonecall
USA made to Georgia, telling them "relax, we got your back"

Oh great, i`ll bet Russia likes that.. doh
just what we need, USA backing up a country
Russia attacs... get ready for act 2 after the intermission
Bring some helmets and stuff

Russia was never attacted by Georgia, Russia have tried
to break Georgia and call them they`re own for a loong time,
Georgia is only defending themselfes



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16 Aug 2008, 4:03 am

Russia don't like it when they can't bully smaller countries. Mind you the US bullies a lot but in this case a lesser evil is needed to deal with a greater evil.



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16 Aug 2008, 4:05 am

The lesser of two evils is still evil. I dont buy it.

Russia is a place no-one should feel easy about,
just never know what the hell they`re up to.
(followed by the USA as a strong nr. 2 on that list).

Georgia is a country on its own, it doesn`t need either Russia or USA.
Russia back off,
USA back off,
end of story

But no, let`s keep fighting over this crap *sigh* I just read in the
paper about a 80 year old Georgian woman getting her throat slit..
Real nice....bastards

I live so close to Russia it bothers me a bit. Will not be surprised at all
if i one day wake up and find Russian troops in my garden because
someone over there had a great idea or something.. *sigh*



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16 Aug 2008, 4:23 am

In my opinion Russia desires one thing its former power. I say lets infect Russia with democracy not that sham of an election they just had only one person ran and he is but a puppet to Putin. Also I say they both need to cool it and get their heads out of their rears to much crap being spewed.



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16 Aug 2008, 4:30 am

Might just be impossible to have a fair election in Russia,
it just cant be done, to much $ and corruption. Russia as a
country has been broken down badly the last 20 years, and
they still have the gigantic alcohol problem there, people drink
like you wouldn`t belive. And they have good reasons to, if i
lived there, i would be wasted 24/7, only way to be comfortable
there.

Bottom line of the war thats raging now:

- Georgians dont want to be a part of Russia, to be called a
Russian is real bad to them.

-Russia wants to have Georgia as a part of Russia and call them
Russians

And this people are getting killed over??? Seriously, its just
insane. WTF!! !! It makes no sense whatsoever.
I`ve heard the expression "stern, but fair". Russia is "stern, and creapy"



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16 Aug 2008, 4:51 am

It all comes down to two things.

1.) Communism gee people it has not worked out so far you might want to reevaluate some things :roll:
2.) Russia wants to seem like the big bad super power it once was Russia is very weak right now so they growl and roar but they have no teeth. For example Russia has threatened Poland http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080816/ap_ ... b4pZVvaA8F they also said if I am not mistaken that a nuclear attack is not out of the picture.



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16 Aug 2008, 9:05 am

Interesting. The governments fighting, the people's heads crushing.



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18 Aug 2008, 6:27 am

I don't know but Russia's always had a bad rep with their military like the killing of their own troops when deemed necessary in terms of warfare....there's no escape once you're in. 8O


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18 Aug 2008, 6:36 am

Chaotica wrote:
Interesting. The governments fighting, the people's heads crushing.


Same old crap, over and over *sigh*