goldfish21
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14 Dec 2017, 3:11 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Well, let me ask you this. You too Goldfish! What is the ratio of those who were able to pull themselves up like you were vs. those who could not for whatever reason? If you are saying that just because you did it then others can do so to that's called a faulty generalization. Do you have statistical evidence that the vast majority who was homeless were able to pull themselves out of it?
Let's look at this article from the Bureau of Labor Statistics from the federal government.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/disabl.nr0.htm
Here are some important quotes.
1. "In 2016, 17.9 percent of persons with a disability were employed, the U.S. Bureau of
Labor Statistics reported today. In contrast, the employment-population ratio for those
without a disability was 65.3 percent."
2. The lower ratio among persons with a disability reflects, in part,
the older age profile of persons with a disability; older workers are less likely to be
employed regardless of disability status. However, across all age groups, persons with a
disability were much less likely to be employed than those with no disability. (See tables
A and 1.)
If this article with these stats are true and I'm interpreting it right then a good chunk of those with any disability is less likely to be employed. Which means, you and goldfish are more then likely anomalies.
BS! If the dream is unrealistic then why wouldn't someone go for something that is more realistic?
Let's look at basketball and getting into the NBA.
http://www.nba-allstar.com/players/list ... height.htm
I'm 5'7-5'8 and I'm a klutz with motor coordination problems and I zone out. What are the chances that I would make it in the NBA? On height alone the average is about 6 to 7 feet tall for basketball players. It is very rare someone my height or shorter makes it. Why would I even bother to waste my time trying out for something I'm more likely to lose? Wouldn't it make more sense to do something that I have a reasonable chance of success at?
This whole you can do anything you set your mind to and this whole never let anyone tell you that you can't do something is stupid and foolish. We don't need more faith in ourselves and our abilities. We don't need more confidence in ourselves. What we as a population needs is critical thinking skills to realistically assess ourselves and our abilities and disabilities in relation to the market.
I'm sorry to say this but those of us with any disability has less value to the market then those who do not have disabilities. Think about it. A disabled person will more then likely need more accommodations so they become more of a liability. If an employer has 30 candidates to choose from and 29 don't need extra detailed instructions and 1 does more then likely that one who needs the extra details more then likely (unless other factors come into play) will wash out. I am an Aspergers person with sleep apnea, executive dysfunction, and possibly CAPD. My chances of being able to make a living for myself and succeed in society is lower then those who don't have my issues even if I am intelligent and analytical. Employers can get others who are just as intelligent and more analytical then yours truly and even more so. I have little confidence that I can make it in today's world and I have little confidence others can make it as well. My little confidence that I do have allows room for margin of error. To have more confidence in oneself without the justification to back it is a false sense of confidence and is delusional.
Let's look at this article from the Bureau of Labor Statistics from the federal government.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/disabl.nr0.htm
Here are some important quotes.
1. "In 2016, 17.9 percent of persons with a disability were employed, the U.S. Bureau of
Labor Statistics reported today. In contrast, the employment-population ratio for those
without a disability was 65.3 percent."
2. The lower ratio among persons with a disability reflects, in part,
the older age profile of persons with a disability; older workers are less likely to be
employed regardless of disability status. However, across all age groups, persons with a
disability were much less likely to be employed than those with no disability. (See tables
A and 1.)
If this article with these stats are true and I'm interpreting it right then a good chunk of those with any disability is less likely to be employed. Which means, you and goldfish are more then likely anomalies.
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I scratched and clawed my way off the streets and through college on my own with no help. It was not easy. I won't describe how I got by but I had many rough years. But I did it. Don't let anybody tell you what you can or can't do. Pursue your dreams and F the doubters. If you fail at least you tried, and will have learned something in the process.
BS! If the dream is unrealistic then why wouldn't someone go for something that is more realistic?
Let's look at basketball and getting into the NBA.
http://www.nba-allstar.com/players/list ... height.htm
I'm 5'7-5'8 and I'm a klutz with motor coordination problems and I zone out. What are the chances that I would make it in the NBA? On height alone the average is about 6 to 7 feet tall for basketball players. It is very rare someone my height or shorter makes it. Why would I even bother to waste my time trying out for something I'm more likely to lose? Wouldn't it make more sense to do something that I have a reasonable chance of success at?
This whole you can do anything you set your mind to and this whole never let anyone tell you that you can't do something is stupid and foolish. We don't need more faith in ourselves and our abilities. We don't need more confidence in ourselves. What we as a population needs is critical thinking skills to realistically assess ourselves and our abilities and disabilities in relation to the market.
I'm sorry to say this but those of us with any disability has less value to the market then those who do not have disabilities. Think about it. A disabled person will more then likely need more accommodations so they become more of a liability. If an employer has 30 candidates to choose from and 29 don't need extra detailed instructions and 1 does more then likely that one who needs the extra details more then likely (unless other factors come into play) will wash out. I am an Aspergers person with sleep apnea, executive dysfunction, and possibly CAPD. My chances of being able to make a living for myself and succeed in society is lower then those who don't have my issues even if I am intelligent and analytical. Employers can get others who are just as intelligent and more analytical then yours truly and even more so. I have little confidence that I can make it in today's world and I have little confidence others can make it as well. My little confidence that I do have allows room for margin of error. To have more confidence in oneself without the justification to back it is a false sense of confidence and is delusional.
I don't have statistics, nor do they matter. It's not about the level of success reached, it's about trying.
I had a conversation with some friends last night and it turned to the topic of depression. They know I've managed to do a massive 180 with my life compared to my worst 6 years ago. She used the example of Chester Bennington & said something like "Yeah, well, I'm sure he had every resource available and tried everything and look at him.." (he committed suicide) & my response was "Him not figuring it out for himself is Not a justification for me not to even f*****g Try." Just because others try everything they learn to try and don't succeed doesn't mean those things won't work for me/others or that through our life experiences we won't learn of different things To Try that do end up working for us.
It's about attitude & approach. Instead of being angry and defeatist about everything, approach everything as a challenge to overcome, a puzzle to solve, an opportunity to learn and grow - something to focus your energy on and Try. If ASS-P would make posts of his tales of TRYING to resolve his issues instead of constantly complaining, getting upset with people, and asking for handouts.. then we'd all be sitting here typing messages of encouragement & pushing him to keep moving forward, reminding him that bit by bit he'll improve his health and resolve his other issues. Instead, things are different.
Same goes for the 1/30 disabled job applicant. It depends on the applicant's attitude more than anything. I've been in a position to hire people more than once and will be many times over in my life. If the 29 applicants are the type to give it ~70% of what they've got, but the disabled guy gives it 100% of what he's got and still only manages to have the productivity output of ~85% or so of an NT's 70% effort BUT he does it with such a positive can-do attitude that myself and others can't help but catch his contagious optimism, damn rights I'd take the 15% hit on productivity to be in the company of someone who TRIES like that.
Further, being the type of guy I am, if I can easily afford the productivity hit I'll employ the disabled guy that maybe other businesses cannot financially, or otherwise, tolerate because he Needs the job - those NT's can easily obtain one somewhere else. It's not exactly a "pity" thing, but more of an understanding thing given that I've been much more "Aspie" than I am now and know what it's like. Other potential employers might keep the disabled employee out of pity. Or because they get some sort of financial tax credit incentive to do so, or some other variety of reasons.
Disabled people are not the most employable, but they're not unemployable either. A lot of it comes down to attitude & work ethic. IF you're disabled AND miserable as f**k AND refuse to TRY to do what you Can, well then, then work becomes much Much more difficult to obtain. If those traits constrain you from working, then those with a can do Try attitude will work on themselves until they're a more employable person, then work on their goal of becoming employed, and then their next goal and their next. People who complain, complain, complain and do nothing to affect change on themselves or their situation are the irritating ones.
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14 Dec 2017, 3:17 pm
ASS-P wrote:
...As far as the seed situation this has tended to be about, the question of the p/m and other stuff from my late brother and where the material could be sent - a possibility exists that someone here in SC would agree to be the recipient of it, but that's very definitely " if " - and, if that person here turns out not to be willing - Is there, then, someone who could, immediately, receive the items for me? Until I could get the items later. Would that be possible - Please?
Cut it out ASS-P. Quit asking other people to pay for storage space for you, whether at a storage facility or in their home. You have a regular income. If you can afford to budget for storage, YOU pay for it. If you can't afford to pay for storage, you can't have it. Simple as that.
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14 Dec 2017, 4:01 pm
...Goldfish, you feel it is the evil of evils. for me to ever ask for any help at all. You indicate I would get your admiration if I followed some vague " peppy " stereotype. Why do I want your admiration in the first place?
Addresses to all - I am in this rehab place and it is hard for me to get out and I do have - whatever it's faults - this device, and my comments on WP are answered by others and I answer them back. I gave, and have continued to, contact others as I can, including regarding the issue of my brother's things. I just don' t talk about it so much hers.
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14 Dec 2017, 4:35 pm
ASS-P wrote:
...Goldfish, you feel it is the evil of evils. for me to ever ask for any help at all. You indicate I would get your admiration if I followed some vague " peppy " stereotype. Why do I want your admiration in the first place?
Addresses to all - I am in this rehab place and it is hard for me to get out and I do have - whatever it's faults - this device, and my comments on WP are answered by others and I answer them back. I gave, and have continued to, contact others as I can, including regarding the issue of my brother's things. I just don' t talk about it so much hers.
Addresses to all - I am in this rehab place and it is hard for me to get out and I do have - whatever it's faults - this device, and my comments on WP are answered by others and I answer them back. I gave, and have continued to, contact others as I can, including regarding the issue of my brother's things. I just don' t talk about it so much hers.
No, I never said that I think it's evil to ask for help.
It's respectable to ask for help when one needs it & foolish to not ask for help you know you need.
But you're not asking for help doing anything. You're asking for people to do things for you, not to help enable you to do them with a bit of their assistance.
Further to that, you've said over and over you're not asking for money or financial assisstance, but you ARE. You're asking for people to PAY FOR THINGS FOR YOU. Namely storage space. And that is WRONG. It's inappropriate to post on these forums asking for other people to pay for things for you. It's even more inappropriate that you're asking for Autistic people, many of whom do not earn a lot of money relative to their NT peers, or are on disability or social assistance/welfare programs themselves, to pay for things for you. What makes it even worse is that you're not asking for them to pay for some one-shot expense for something that is a necessity of life - like $25 to fill a lifesaving prescription medication, for example, but rather for an ongoing expense that is for a Want in ASS-P's economy, which is why you're getting one big "WTF?" response from myself and others. YOU Want it, YOU pay for it. Can't afford it? Then you can't have it. It's that simple.
It doesn't matter to me one iota if you want my admiration or not, tbh. My point with my advice is that EVERYONE would respond more favourably if you TRIED to do things instead of just ranted and raved and complained.
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goldfish21
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14 Dec 2017, 8:02 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
I will respond to your other response to my other post later.
This is kind of ironic. For a while I didn't know this myself. But, I had to read about American culture as presented to a foreigner to understand this. Look under especially under #6 under one article I read.
http://www1.cmc.edu/pages/faculty/alee/ ... alues.html
Philosophically, I don't agree with certain aspects because to me some of it is to simplistic BUT at least I understand why people respond the way they respond when I say or do certain things. It's very enlightening. It's why you react the way you do towards ASS-P.
This is kind of ironic. For a while I didn't know this myself. But, I had to read about American culture as presented to a foreigner to understand this. Look under especially under #6 under one article I read.
http://www1.cmc.edu/pages/faculty/alee/ ... alues.html
Philosophically, I don't agree with certain aspects because to me some of it is to simplistic BUT at least I understand why people respond the way they respond when I say or do certain things. It's very enlightening. It's why you react the way you do towards ASS-P.
Interesting. I learned something here just now. I clicked the link but didn't read everything - just the Bolded # headlines And #6 in full. Being born & raised in Canada, I have typical North American values. I had no clue that "self" words were an English language and culture, thing.
I know that there are many collectivist cultures as we have large immigrant populations of Indians & Chinese here, and I've read of some African cultures that have phrases such as "I am, because we are," because they all depend on one another for survival so do everything in the best interest of the group. We also have indigenous cultures here that are pretty awesome in that the way one achieves the highest social status is by how much they can give and provide to the rest of the community - they're still hyper competitive to be the biggest, best, strongest, fastest, best hunter/fighter/plunderer etc - but not to enrich themselves and their immediate family, but so that they can be the one who takes the honour of providing for all the elders and those who have less.
Regardless of all of those things, ASS-P lives in the USA. He has an income. It's no one else' responsibility on this forum to take on financial expenses to provide his wants. I want things I can't afford, too, but I do NOT expect anyone here to pay for them. ASS-P needs to acknowledge & accept this and stop begging people to pay for stuff for him. It's inappropriate & unacceptable - ESPECIALLY if he's wasting his income on junk food and soda in lieu of paying for a storage locker the he seems to want so badly. THAT'S why he's getting one big "f**k You," of a response from me. Not only are his communication methods extremely inappropriate in their begging and inflammatory language, I just think it's flat out WRONG to be on here as an internet panhandler trying to beg and plead and swindle some unfortunately easily persuaded disabled person out of their money and/or space in their home.
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14 Dec 2017, 8:06 pm
redrobin62 wrote:
Very entertaining thread, this one. I still don't get something, though:
ASS-P, since you get money (weekly, no less!), why don't you get a storage locker in Santa Cruz? Why are you asking WP members to store your stuff for you? There are many places to store your belongings which I am confident you can afford. To wit:
https://www.publicstorage.com/californi ... 41&CHID=LL
https://www.extraspace.com/Storage/Faci ... =org::maps
https://www.selfstoragesantacruz.com/
http://www.suttersfortss.com/
https://www.extraspace.com/Storage/Faci ... =org::maps
http://www.jdministorage.com/
https://www.storage-mart.com/soquel
ASS-P, since you get money (weekly, no less!), why don't you get a storage locker in Santa Cruz? Why are you asking WP members to store your stuff for you? There are many places to store your belongings which I am confident you can afford. To wit:
https://www.publicstorage.com/californi ... 41&CHID=LL
https://www.extraspace.com/Storage/Faci ... =org::maps
https://www.selfstoragesantacruz.com/
http://www.suttersfortss.com/
https://www.extraspace.com/Storage/Faci ... =org::maps
http://www.jdministorage.com/
https://www.storage-mart.com/soquel
This. All of this.
While disability payments are known for not being high incomes, ASS-P doesn't pay rent anywhere. He lives outdoors, in shelters, or in taxpayer/charity funded spaces like he is right now. Unless he has to sign his check over to them, ASS-P has a higher disposable income than MANY people on these forums and can pay for things himself. If he "can't," afford it, then perhaps he should be asking for help in learning how to budget his finances? Or asking for help managing his finances on his behalf? Or asking for information on how to open an account and have the payments for his storage locker automatically paid from it? etc. NOT for others to give him their money.
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14 Dec 2017, 8:15 pm
Here's another piece of Indigenous culture from the Haida Gwaii people I found rather interesting. It's concept, phonetically, called "git-gun" which is when someone REALLY REALLY wants some material thing that you possess, regardless of what it's monetary value is in our system, no matter how much that item may currently be your PRIZED possession.. in their culture: you give it to them. Often it's handmade jewelry, or maybe it's a hat or garment, but it could be some other modern item - whatever - but when someone REALLY REALY wants something you have, you give it to them and make their day/life at the moment. If at any time there's some item someone else has that you REALLY want & you express it, they give it to you. It's a very interesting concept of gift giving as well as learning not to be so attached to material possessions and appreciating that your prized possession could have even greater value to someone else, so, you let it go to them.
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