Psychopathy, Asperger's: a 'serious' combination
They were all either family members telling me that this was "normal but secret", or as you saw, family friends trying to get me alone.
And they generally approach it as a game. Once they get you to play it the first time, the shame of having "willingly" (or so you think) participated makes you protect the secret for them.
Somehow I think I know what you mean.
I don't think there's any direct connection between psychopathy and Aspergers.
At school I was bullied by a group of people who had psychopathic traits inc. a complete lack of empathy and a sadistic nature, they enjoyed torturing animals and watching videos of people suffering and dying. Some of them were neo-nazis and drew swastikas everywhere. A few of these bullies were autistic but most of them were NT, either way I hope I never see any of them again!
As a 10 year old kid, during the summer months I started hunting frogs and then would release them back to the pond at the community garden my mother was a member of.
The neighbour next plot over noticed that and showed me something that stuck in my mind and definitely affected my behaviour (btw, he was a well respected police officer and a WWII veteran). He would grab a frog by its hind legs, set its head on a flat stone and smash it with another rock with a quick move. Then using a knife he would cut off the upper torso including the arms, remove the viscera and innards, skin the bottom part and then pass such prepared amphibian to me for roasting on the grill that my mother was using at that time. He did the same to 6 more frogs I caught while I would look on with some degree of fascination. He would toss the "inedible" parts back to the pond then, where the local fishing enthusiasts bred pike fish. The ensuing frenzy was quite a thing to watch and the large sized frogs were quite a treat.
The following school year my mother entrusted me with money to pay for lunches on a monthly basis. I chose to spend that money on books that would interest me and sustained my diet on roasted frog legs that I would prepare and stash in advance. Suffice to say I carried this procedure unnoticed for years, until I got sick and tired of eating my own version of "French cuisine".
My mother was obliviously happy thinking I'm "properly" fed, the pike fish were happy with a free treat, the local fishing enthusiasts were happy with well fed pike fish and I had a load of books, which I would eventually pass on to some of my poorer class mates. Perhaps the only victims here were the several thousand frogs I passed through my digestive system, though every following year there seemed to be more and more frogs at the pond (I suspect some natural selection connection here as the quicker and more agile ones would escape my clumsy clutches, obviously increasing the offspring's ability to escape the natural predators in the pond).
Someone might think my adolescent behaviour would fit into the AsPD, yet I didn't feel any pleasure in the killing and preparation of the frogs. I treated it as a necessity in order to feed myself and increase my library.
When a few decades later I spoke of this to my mother she was genuinely surprised and told me I should have simply asked her for the money for books (my room looked like and was used as book storage anyway, so she never noticed any increase in the number of volumes). To this day I don't properly know how to feel about the whole hunting/fraud/sharing/feeding experience.
It certainly helped me with my reflexes, eye-hand coordination and fed my obsessive need to read (the books were mostly fantasy and science-fiction, which are the only type of fiction that I can stomach). I don't feel any urge to kill frogs or any other animals for that matter, but if forced to hunt for food I would certainly have no compunctions about it. All I can say is that it allowed me to grow up in my own way.
Yet if for comparison we were to substitute the frogs with humans or the product of human labour, the pike fish with let's say any type of human scavenger whose life or skills could be used in the future, the fishing enthusiasts as friendly and appreciative benefactors of my efforts and the books as tools of power/responsibility that I can eventually pass onto the less fortunate, what would that make me then? A monster, a politician (too often these two are the same), a businessman or simply a human being surviving in the human world?
I think the perceptual difference between AsPD and Asperger's lies simply in how we arrive at our conclusions about the world we live in.
P.S.
Paragraphing is definitely the way to go. Dyslexia is definitely a burden when forming your thoughts on paper/screen when you feel you have to pour out as quickly as possible. I often find myself fixing sentences hours after finishing them. Hope the reviewed format helps a bit.
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... Whoa.
THAT is pretty damned awesome.
But might I advise you use the "Enter" key every once in a while. Paragraphing makes for easier reading.
I wish someone had taught me how to kill wildlife and eat it when I was younger. Maybe then I wouldn't have needed to move to the city.
Why is this topic such a debate? Does everyone assume that ASD kids all grow up with a nice caring family who live out in the suburbs behind a nice white picket fence? You see the ones on youtube who had crying parents desperate for a cure for their kids. You don't see the ones with scars from a belt and cigarette burns all over their body, or worse. Nature gives you one, nurture gives you the other.
Pretty much the recurring story behind half the murders out there: Society sh!ts on them. They sh!t on society. Society wonders why the f**k it happened, and resumes sh!tting.
... Bloody mundies... so stuck up their own arses.
Could be completely off topic, but thought I'd throw this in....
Diagnosed many years ago with a whole lot of different things, one of them being "psychopathic anti-social behavioral problems" and sectioned many times in psych unit for same.
I kept telling them that I was not anti-social, just frightened of things, and I had an imaginary black wolf as my protector to boot.
This went on uncontested for 20 years.....
Until a shrewd and intelligent psychologist asked me if I knew what Aspergers Syndrome was three years ago. I had no idea and it took her six months to convince me to get an assessment at a specialist clinic. I was diagnosed with AS in my first appointment. I have also since been diagnosed with ADHD and am on dex which makes a HUGE difference.
Go figure.
I don't think Dahmer was autistic. He was very manipulative and cunning and on some sociological level, he was a genius. He had the ability to influence thoughts, he convinced a police officer that he was a relative of one of his victims... I've seen many interviews and documentaries about Dahmer and he has almost normal characteristics... He could easily have passed for someone without any mental illnesses or brain disorders whatsoever. He always seemed eerily coherent.
@ rpcarnell: LOL, you are so right there!
Everyone is so divided...
I was diagnosed high functioning asperger after they previously were going to diagnose bipolar and previously before that they had no f*****g idea
my conclusion from memories of my dad calling me pure evil, satan, devil and how my mum calls me greedy, inconsiderate, selfish, ungrateful, rude, claiming I don't care about anyone
how it is
I looked at the psychopath check list.. I have all of them
To understand how you can be both psychopath and aspergers you have to stop thinking they are opposites
And start thinking
One may be active some time while the other takes over the other time
It switches
Rather than invalidates its self
how a lot of psychopaths lie
And a lot of aspergers tell the truth
I tell the truth in order to get sympathy
collect information about humans who screw you other
Use it against them towards other humans who were a neutral stance about them
It's not about lieing
Truth is more powerful then the biggest lie
Because there is no way to I validate the truth
It is flawless
It is superior
so much that people begin to think you actually were
You are all morons
you have to do more research on aspergers and psychopath
I did a test at school to which jobs best fit me
Both jobs for psychopaths and aspergers came up on the computer at the end result
you don't just rule that as a coincidence
Eventually you just end up with thousands of events you called a coincidence because of you being naive
my dad and his mum I see the aspergers comes from
Where I see psychopath is from my mum
Both of which are hereditary if you did more research you would find such thing possible
Manipulation with truth.. you are inferior and can not comprehend it I don't expect a ant to understand what made the tree grow
socially
Sometimes I want to say something verbally but can't aspergers..
Other times I just say what ever and it just seemed to fit with what ever they were saying.. That's glibness from psychopath
BASICALY
who
Cares
Really
Why does it matter
the only reasoning as to why anyone would want to make psychopath official by saying ASPD is to discriminate
Are you saying you are a discriminator
what does it say about you to discriminate against aspergers and psychopaths
They say aspergers don't understand and psychopaths don't care
If you are the "normal" what is it to you if they have a reason as to why they do stuff and you have no reason
what's your excuse for discrimination =D
also cats like clown cars
example of jobs I had on the computer test they did at school
Architect
Car salesmen
CEO
Vet
draftsman
Cabinet maker
example of what it is to have both aspergers with psychopath
Also I have no emotions ATM if you think I did I don't
I guess it's just me thinking I am better to want to say this stuff
They originally around age 8 or something
They claim I had severe ADHD with OCD and
Later at 16. They were confused and wanted to call me bipolar
Instead claimed I had aspergers
The fact they got confused multiple different people confused at me
I also did stuff that would be crimes
I am 21
When I was at school
I got bullied
I didn't react
UNTILL they laughed then I punched ten or threw a chair at their head =D
The unique combination I have of psychopathic aspergers
I tend to lure in other psychopaths
I know straight away sometimes they admit it
...some got annoyed how they fell for my trap
=D Internet
aspergers people are good people
Psychopaths are evil
I am both good and evil
Somedays I am 1 of the two
Others I am both at the same time I would...
Kick a dog for no reason that it was annoying me and didn't care then hug it saying sorry and give it a treat
And do it again some other time
burn ants and rip their legs apart one time a worm came out D:
Other times feed ants
It's sooo complicated
your inferior brain can't comprehend it
if my mum is yelling at me eventually the stress tolerance of psychopath is overwhelmed by aspergers emotions and I break down and cry and my brain has crashed I can't respond
If my dad is yelling at me I want to murder him but having aspergers it is calculated as illogical instead I suddenly just.. Yell at him out of nowhere I had no thoughts has nothing just blank and I am yelling really loudly and no idea why
you have no idea what it is like
How s**t my life has been because of this
how people seem to think I care about what they have to say
I can be manipulated by kindness this is a weakness of aspergers
where as if someone has Been mean to me frequently I am really evil to them
It is possible to have both
if you want to do a simple way of understanding it
Chaotic neutral
It's just
Two words
It sums up everything
this is for inferior humans who can't comprehend how complex it is
When trained doctors are getting confused at me
Then it's very complex
Only other psychopaths
Or other people with autism/aspergers actually can truly understand me
both get confused at times as to why I do some things
it's a terrible way of explaining
there is things in ADHD that is not part of psychopath or aspergers
so detailed way is I am psychopath with aspergers and ADHD
Officially I am ADHD, OCD, odd, aspergers it is..wrong.. But it keeps people satisfied to give a reason why I do stuff so
I don't care
I belief it's true.
But I also think it's tricky to diagnose people you never met.
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It's hard to believe. I've always thought of psychopathy and Asperger's as mutually exclusive conditions. Psychopaths are extroverts, aspies are introverts. Psychopaths crave excitement and new stimulations, whilst Aspies love routine and hate novelty. Psychopaths have shallow emotions, whereas Aspies have deep emotions with poor self-awareness. Psychopaths are often very charming, but Aspies are usually boorish. Psychopaths are brilliant liars, but Aspies tend to be clumsy liars.
Every combination in psychiatry is possible.
I've seen borderline PD autistics, narcissistic autistics, schizophrenic autistics and so on.
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It sounds like Asperger
Hell yes!
Actually, it does sound a bit like me, an aspie, except I am not violent and never have been. I especially identified with "Though lacking empathy and emotional depth, they often manage to pass themselves off as average individuals by feigning emotions and lying about their past." I have to fake empathetic (sympathetic?) emotions many times. I am very antisocial sometimes and intensely dislike those around me.
I think all these things overlap. But I think what sets psychopathy apart is illegal and violent behavior. If you don't engage in any of this, then you are not a psychopath. Or antisocial PD. You probably have a form of Asperger's.
An interesting study:
Distinct cortical correlates of autistic versus antisocial traits in a longitudinal sample of typically developing youth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22492041
So far I know is the overlapp between ASD and AsPD minor, especially between AS and AsPD, but a bit higher between PDD-NOS and AsPD. Interestingly there is a great overlapp between psychoathy and antisocial traits and ADHD.
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