Now I'm confused about BAP

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I thought this was something that included a lot of NTs with Aspie traits and possibly ADHDers with Aspie traits as well.

I found contradciting things online, this article epecially, it's not contradciting itself but I don't understand it.

I didn't think anyone was really DXed "with" BAP, I guess it's cosnidered PDDNOS, though?

Also, they're saying here that it's both less severe and more severe than Asperger's, as far as I can tell.

But other articles I saw were extremely vague.

http://www.autismunited.org/blog/broad-autism-phenotype

I get the impression BAP is the runner up prize if you don't quite hit the AS diagnosis, but your life will benefit from the coaching and some of the assistance given to aspies.

Jason.

With Asperger's and autism, there are different categories of traits associated. A diagnosis means having a sufficient number of traits in every category. My impression is that BAP is when someone doesn't have a high enough number of traits in one or more categories to qualify but has enough of them so that it's clear something similar is going on. The traits that do exist might range from mild to severe, so someone with BAP might have fewer symptoms than someone with Asperger's, but the traits that do exist might make that person less able to function in the world than the Aspie. On the other hand, someone with BAP might have very mild symptoms and so be more functional. As a third possibility, some of the collection of traits might be severe and others mild in the same person, but there are still too few (if only slightly) for an autism diagnosis. BAP means you're not quite NT, but you've got more going on than just ADHD or whatever.

I'm not an expert. A professional or someone with BAP could explain it better.

BAP people have mild autistic traits that are not impairing enough for ASD diagnosis. BAP is not PDD-NOS, and BAP is not a disorder.

In the scientific literature, BAP studies often involve parents of autistic children. Parents of autistic children often have more autistic traits than parents of neurotypical children, but the autistic traits are too mild for ASD diagnosis.

In studies, BAP people and ASD people often share "endophenotypes" that distinguish both groups from NT people. For example, BAP people and ASD people look at the mouth more than the eyes on facial expression tasks, while NT people look more at the eyes than the mouth.

Amongst parents of autistic children, the fathers are more likely to be BAP than the mothers.

From: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aurt/2011/545901/

Weird I'm becoming more and more bap.

I am starting to think that criteria for ASD is way too broad.

I think that it is too broad and I am afraid the spectrum is more than just a full-blown disorder, it can also include anyone who are undiagnosed that have traits of ASD.

In reality, being neurotypical means that you are not never diagnosed and never diagnosed until you get diagnosed one way or another.

I think we really should stop calling anyone NT, just because they don’t have diagnosis of ASD or any mental health and developmental disorders for that matter, because we may never know if they have the same or similar issues as us, but were not diagnosed at the time, or they suffered like us, but they were never diagnosed for the rest of their lives

There are also reports or stories that some lose their ASD diagnosis as they get older, just because they got improved, even though some forget that ASD is a developmental disorder ( especially milder forms of ASD ) and a developmental disorder is something you have for the rest of your life.


Even my brother's friend said he was diagnosed with Autism, but he thinks it is stupid, because from his perspective, it never caused him any distress in daily life, but his doctors thought otherwise.

Developmental disorders comprise a group of psychiatric conditions originating in childhood that involve serious impairment in different areas. There are several ways of using this term.

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The most narrow concept is used in the category "Specific Disorders of Psychological Development" in the ICD-10.

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These disorders comprise developmental language disorder, learning disorders, motor disorders, and autism spectrum disorders.

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In broader definitions ADHD is included, and the term used is neurodevelopmental disorders.

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Yet others include antisocial behavior and schizophrenia that begins in childhood and continues through life.

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However, these two latter conditions are not as stable as the other developmental disorders, and there is not the same evidence of a shared genetic liability.

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Developmental disorders are present from early life. Most improve as the child grows older, but some entail impairments that continue throughout life. There is a strong genetic component; more males are afflicted than females.

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This is just an example, but it’s not accurate.

Females should get the same treatments and therapies just like men get.

Should we change the criteria for Autism Spectrum disorder? In order to have diagnosis of ASD you need to have traits of part of ASD for four months, after 12 months of age and if traits are gone after more four months you are developmentally delayed.

In order to qualify for diagnosis of Pervasive Developmental Disorder, symptoms must be present for four months right before the age of one.

Autism can be diagnosed at age through 0-3 years of age, but moderate to milder form of Autism can be diagnosed at the age of 4+

According to Wikipedia a chronic condition is a health condition or disease that is persistent or otherwise long-lasting in its effects or a disease that comes with time. The term chronic is often applied when the course of the disease lasts for more than three months.

Even if symptoms of Autism is gone, you are still considered to have history of developmental delay, because the traits of ASD lasted for more than three months

Symptoms of ASD for four months before the age of one:

1. Not respond to their name by 12 months of age
2. Not point at objects to show interest (point at an airplane flying over) by 14 months
3. Not play “pretend” games (pretend to “feed” a doll) by 18 months
4. Avoid eye contact and want to be alone
5. Have trouble understanding other people’s feelings or talking about their own feelings
6. Have delayed speech and language skills
7. Repeat words or phrases over and over (echolalia)
8. Give unrelated answers to questions
9. Get upset by minor changes
10. Have obsessive interests
11. Flap their hands, rock their body, or spin in circles
12. Have unusual reactions to the way things sound, smell, taste, look, or feel
13. Does not respond to name by 12 months of age
14. Avoids eye-contact
15. Prefers to play alone
16. Does not share interests with others
17. Only interacts to achieve a desired goal
18. Has flat or inappropriate facial expressions
19. Does not understand personal space boundaries
20. Avoids or resists physical contact
21. Is not comforted by others during distress
22. Delayed speech and language skills
23. Repeats words or phrases over and over (echolalia)
24. Reverses pronouns (e.g., says “you” instead of “I”)
25. Gives unrelated answers to questions
26. Does not point or respond to pointing
27. Uses few or no gestures (e.g., does not wave goodbye)
28. Talks in a flat, robot-like, or sing-song voice
29. Does not pretend in play (e.g., does not pretend to “feed” a doll)
30. Does not understand jokes, sarcasm, or teasing
31. Lines up toys or other objects
32. Plays with toys the same way every time
33. Likes parts of objects (e.g., wheels)
34. Is very organized
35. Gets upset by minor changes
36. Has obsessive interests
37. Has to follow certain routines
38. Flaps hands, rocks body, or spins self in circles
39. Hyperactivity (very active)
40. Impulsivity (acting without thinking)
41. Short attention span
42. Aggression
43. Causing self injury
44. Temper tantrums
45. Unusual eating and sleeping habits
46. Unusual mood or emotional reactions
47. Lack of fear or more fear than expected
48. Unusual reactions to the way things sound, smell, taste, look, or feel

It’s to make it even more broad and most with Broad Autism Phenotype should have some form of ASD diagnosis, because Autism is a spectrum developmental disorder from very severe to very mild.

The reason why I said this, is because the term broad autism phenotype describes an even wider range of individuals who exhibit problems with personality, language, and social-behavioral characteristics at a level that is considered to be higher than average but lower than is diagnosable with autism.

Even if you slightly had some problems with personality, language, and social-behavioral characteristics from early to late childhood, early to late adolescence and adulthood, I would still consider you to have history of developmental delay, regardless if it is diagnosed or not and also, because the DSM changed all subgroups of Autisms into a spectrum disorder, from very severe to very mild.

Why are you quoting the same copy and pasted answer to many threads, when the people in your quotes are not even from this thread?
Is good information but confusing.

I am sorry about that!


I just want to be bluntly honest!

No worries. Was just confusing to read the same posts on a few threads. I was thinking I was seeing things! Haha.

It's okay, it's just I don't like calling anyone normal, just in case one has a disorder that is not diagnosed

A phenotype is used in genetic research and indicates observable characteristics. This used to identify epigenetic and environmental sources. It is not a diagnosis, but simply a research tool.

I think it was a concept originally used for research purposes, claiming that relatives of children diagnosed with ASD tended to show more autistic traits than the average. I think when someone refers to themselves as “BAP” they are basically saying that they identify with ASD but are not formally diagnosed and may not meet full diagnostic criteria. As far the ASD criteria being “too broad” I think that maybe there have been some people labeled as autistic where the term “BAP” would actually describe them better. I think it depends on who is diagnosing them and how strictly the label is applied.