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25 Jun 2017, 11:25 am

They CHOSE to open Pandora's box anyway.



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25 Jun 2017, 12:06 pm

^ The fable of pandora's box supposedly contained all the evil of the world, and opening it unleashed that evil.
Homosexuality is not an evil. It is not a corruption. It's just the way some people are. Plenty of straight people discover or explore different aspects of their sexuality at different times, too. Nothing wrong with that, either.
As for this "gay agenda" thing, I've never understood this. Most LGBT focused things promote equality, freedom of expression, tolerance for difference and inclusion for all people, regardless of orientation. So why is this "agenda" a bad thing to you?


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25 Jun 2017, 12:27 pm

jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
If you don't count increased rates of depression,drug use,anxiety,narrsasism, then ya, it doesn't get in the way of your life. Plus it isn't wired. All these people come out at like 23 or 17 or 34. It isn't the same in any way to Asphergers.

That increase in anxiety and depression doesn't come from being gay, it comes from people like you who have nothing better to do than put down people that are different. It's the same thing with autism-- depression and anxiety are common co-morbids but autism doesn't create those issues, the way others treat said autistic does.



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28 Jun 2017, 1:31 pm

A few small studies say people worth ASD are more likely to have gender dysphoria so I wonder if that could translate to sexual orientation as well.

Here's more about ASD and gender dysphoria:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-red-light-district/201411/link-between-autism-and-gender-dysphoria



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29 Jun 2017, 9:57 am

I can personally say that I am bisexual, and am an (undiagnosed) aspie. I doubt the two are related, but I have not checked the literature for a study that correlates queerness and autism. My boyfriend is totally straight and an aspie (diagnosed), too, btw.

Also, I can certainly say that my bisexuality was not a choice. I can remember having crushes on both boys and girls since as far back as I can remember, and to be honest, there was a time in my life where I would have done anything to be straight. I'm already socially awkward enough without having people dislike me for my orientation as well. As an adolescent it was particularly difficult to live in a conservative town and go to school with a bunch of jerks who could just tell somehow that I wasn't straight, even though I didn't have a girlfriend or act especially queer. It amazes me how people can think sexual orientation is a choice while so many gay/bi kids get bullied, killed, and commit suicide just for being gay/bi. You would think they would wish themselves straight if they could, especially during adolescence, to avoid the extra pain, angst, and bigotry.



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29 Jun 2017, 12:35 pm

mushroo wrote:
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Mushroo, you're welcome.

How can you CHOOSE what turns you on? Sexual arrousal/getting horny is a REFLEX. Just like you can't keep your leg from moving when the doctor hits it with that little triangular rubber mallet thing, you can't CHOOSE what makes your dick or nipples hard, or what makes your p**** wet.

You can find both sexes attractive and get turned on by both sexes. You can CHOOSE which sex you're going to pursue, but you can't choose which one turns you on in the first place. I feel that anybody who says it's a choice must be attracted to the same or both sexes and are either gay or bisexual but afraid to admit to that.

If sexuality was a choice, considering how much sh** homosexuals have to deal with for no reason other than that they are homosexuals, who the hell would CHOOSE to be homosexual? What benefit is there? Fewer rights, being ridiculed everywhere, parents disowning them, just generally being treated like sh** by most people, hated on by stupid religious fanatics, told they're evil, going to burn in hell and all that bs, forced to go to "gay camp" and other similar things, an attempt by the parents to make the gay just go away... WHO WOULD CHOOSE THAT? To suggest that it's a choice is nothing short of insanity as far as I'm concerned.


Disagree a little bit. :) I think "being turned on" can be a Pavlovian response developed due to positive sexual experiences. A wonderful night of passion and orgasms with a man (or woman) and then you get turned on by the sight/touch/smell of that person, or others with similar attractive qualities. In other words I think that for many people, "I could never be turned on by a man/woman" could be "cured" by an erotic experience with the right partner. Of course I am not saying that people should do this, it is perfectly OK to stay in one's comfort zone.

I agree 100% that living in a homophobic society makes same-sex an unappealing choice for many. Part of this is a lack of positive queer role models (especially true for those of older generations). If your only exposure to queer culture is the "flaming" stereotype on TV then yes, it can seem like a ridiculous lifestyle choice. People with a more diverse and permissive social circle will be more likely to "experiment" I think. The hatred of gays you describe is sadly true in some places, but fortunately, in the year 2011, at least in some parts of the world, it is respected or even admired. I'm sure you have heard the word "Pride."

Social pressure is the number one reason why the ratio is so lopsided (90%/10% is one common estimate) in my opinion. In a hypothetical world where heterosexuality was taboo then I think this number would be closer to 50/50 or maybe even 10/90.


Regarding classical conditioning and sexual desire, I have had more male sexual partners than female even though I'm by far more attracted to females, largely due to a lack of availability in the small town in live in. I've had a lot of incredibly satisfying sex with men, but unfortunately most of my experiences with women have been with more inexperienced women and on average fewer orgasms were achieved. Given that logic I should find myself more aroused by men than women, but that is not the case. I do find the idea of sexual orientation and classical conditioning being linked to some extent with regards to sexual fluidity an interesting idea, and it might be the case in others.



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05 Jul 2017, 5:01 pm

I've never encountered an exclusive homosexual who wasn't wired NT. As for bisexuals, I don't think Aspies are any more likely to be bi than the general population...with one proviso. Since we care much less about what people think, Aspies who are inclined to be bi are more likely to try it out when they live in places where homosexuality is frowned upon.