How broad is your definition of art?

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Perhaps a better title for the thread would be I Give My Opinion About Art And Call Other Opinions Stupid. The current title seems misleading in retrospect.

And that's just childish of you, bringing me back to my "you're above criticism" statement. If it burns you up so much that I don't agree with you, why are you still here? You're going on and on about my "sphere of control," and here you are trying to shame me for my opinion (on my own thread, no less), while apparently you get a free pass on that because... I don't know, because criticism hurts your feelings.

Way to prove my point. Go on with your wild imaginings.

Please, explain. Is this not my thread? Are we not both pushing our opinions on each other? Have I ever once tried to force you to change your opinion? (and no, telling you you're wrong doesn't constitute as "forcing you") Are you now not throwing a fit because I'm still arguing with you about my opinion on my thread?

If anyone is guilty of "wild imaginings", that would be you, friend. You're the one who looks at garbage and demands that other people respect it as art.

I'll give a short defense of the 'conceptual art' you disagree with in the OP:

'Art' is an umbrella term, it doesn't just include painting and sculpture, but architecture, acting, music, even landscaping-- anything that is an expression. You've probably made works of art and didn't even realize it. The conceptual artist will tell you that their work itself isn't the art-- they'd actually agree with you on that point (the vast majority of them at least). Rather, the discussions that viewers have about a conceptual artist's work is the actual 'art'. The conceptual artist is trying to jar you, to make you think outside your comfort zone, those thoughts (even this debate) is the art, and the conceptual artist is quite pleased that you don't agree, it shows you actually thought about it, which is the goal of they are trying to achieve.

Which is all well and good, but they shouldn't get paid for it, nor should they be praised for their "art" when all they did was throw a bunch of junk together. Again, I'm a guy with no artistic ability whatsoever, and I could make the same "art" that they do, and yet they're getting paid millions of dollars for it and having books written about them, etc. You say they're trying to get people to talk. That's great, but we don't need their "art" to do it. That's why we have things like internet forums, where people literally go to talk. Get rid of their "art" and we lose none of that.

No one's forcing you to look at it, no one's forcing you to go to one of said exhibits and thus 'pay for it'. That's all I can say. If you're railing just rail, you're railroading yourself into a brick wall because that's the easiest way to turn off an audience.

Hold on a minute you did not merely say you disagree with them, you've been very rude and insulting about it and are continuing to, so quit it. I mean its like you posted this topic just to insult and rage at anyone who disagrees with you.

Sheesh no wonder you don't have a girlfriend.....so much toxicity.

^Should we report him?

I was actually going to contribute to the discussion, and maybe even discuss my own creativity and art and the books I've written, but I'm not now.

lol yeah I thought this was going to be a nice maybe kind of fun discussion about art and what defines it...not people coming to express their thoughts only to be insulted by the guy who posted it. I can't even bring myself to report them because it's so pitiful how they are acting.

^Okey-dokey.
I shall part with a bit of wisdom:


"What you dislike or ridicule in others is actually within you/a part of you."

I have standards. I like that I have standards. I look around and I see the world rewarding "artists" for making trash that only constitutes as "art" for hipsters looking for a high horse to ride. If you want to support that, be my guest. I'll be over here, with my common sense, supporting artists, authors, and the like who display some semblance of intelligence with what they create.

You are acting just like the hipsters looking for a high horse to ride.

If someone has a more broad definition than you it means they like the shades of grey crap and supports worst aspects of pop culture and the crappiest art you can think of?

By your logic shades of grey isn't writing because it's bad...since apparently art isn't art if its bad. Something being bad or crappy doesn't make it something other than what it is.

Also everyone isn't going to agree on if something is crappy or not....that is a part of life. You can scream all day about how crappy something is to someone who disagrees and you'll never get anywhere. For instance I like the doors, my boyfriend thinks they suck....its hardly worth fighting about as there is plenty of music we both like plus disagreements can happen without fighting and insults in fact that is the best way.

I am sure if you had remained civil you would have found some common ground, instead of this thread disintegrating into arguing rather than discussing.

Books have a very specific definition: a bunch of paper pages, usually with writing in them, all bound together. Fifty Shades is, by definition, a book, but it's a bad book. Art isn't like that. The fact that it has no definition is what makes people take advantage of it and create trash, and try to pass it off as the same thing that Leonardo Da Vinci and Rembrandt did.
How can you people not see this? Modern art takes everything that artists have striven for over the years and stomps it into the ground. There are no standards for modern art, it's all about people with no real talent wanting to be called artists, so they make something worthless and tell everyone else that they're just not as smart as they are if they don't appreciate it. There's no effort, there's no quality, they just throw something together, tell a nice sounding story about how much it means to them, and demand praise and money for it. It's no different than a used car salesman spinning tall tales to make you think you're getting an amazing deal on an amazing car, only for you to find out that it's a piece of junk that can barely run.
Like I've said before: without the "artist" there to explain the "deeper meaning" to you, or at least a plaque, it loses all artistic value and becomes -you guessed it- garbage.
If you want to support this, go right ahead. I choose to fill my mind with things of worth and value.

And for the record, yes, I admit that I got carried away. I apologize for that. This is a frustrating topic for me because I legitimately can see the degradation of our society in the acceptance of this stuff as art.