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18 Jul 2015, 9:00 am

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Maybe - but they didn't film the experience nor wrote a book.

but here the thing: Trans are hardly not recognizable.
When I browse dating profiles - I can tell quickly who's tran with high accurancy.

While Norah's diguise was done by pros.

Sure, some assumed she's gay, but this is a common assumption that happens all the time among people toward the not-so-manly men.
In high school, I was assumed to be gay by girls, the reason why? Turned out because I have never flirted with one.
I've overheard my friend trying to convince one (a popular girl) that I am not gay, that is when I've learned her and her friends assumed the same thing.

I think you WP girls hate her because she proves that guys have it harder - oh well... that's weird... you should be pleased you are women instead. :p


Lots pf transgendered people have written book and appeared on TV. What this woman did is hardly original.

And I don't "hate" her. I've lived through social situations as both a male and a female, so I know how illuminating "gender-bending" can be.


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18 Jul 2015, 3:07 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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and the dreaded "L" word said often.

What is it? Lesbian? 8O

Love. Why would I want lesbian said several times? I'm straight. :?



LOVE!! !

LOVE!! !

Say it out loud!!

LOVE!! !



I am not that romantic, but well.....I find pleasure in torturing you :P



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18 Jul 2015, 4:54 pm

Such an obscene word! It should be banned and erased from every dictionary, so children can grow up without knowing it ever existed till it's forgotten once and for all.


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18 Jul 2015, 7:25 pm

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Such an obscene word! It should be banned and erased from every dictionary, so children can grow up without knowing it ever existed till it's forgotten once and for all.
Right along with other four-letter words like "Home", "Mama", and "Papa".



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18 Jul 2015, 11:58 pm

I'm kind of thinking that the discovery that was made was that a social role you've suddenly been thrust into is harder than one you've been socialised into since birth.


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19 Jul 2015, 12:31 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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And by the way this is a lesbian posing as a male...not a real male, or even someone who has been proven to actually pass as convincing male....just a lesbain who wanted to be an inprofessional experiment without proper mesures of the factors and causes of said event even though they said they wont consent. So not sure how this is entirely relevent to 'life of males' in the military, when its about snow and ice people aren'te even fully exposed to in any event that is show.



Why do you hate her so much? :P

What you call "This", is a woman, and her being lesbian doesn't make her any less person nor less female.

Her experiment was revolutionary, one of a kind.

She might not have brought all answers to women how life it is like to be a man, but she brought something, some insight.

Where did I say I hate her? I don't recall that....nor do I recall saying she is less of a person or less of a female, I said being she is a female that was posing as a male for the experiment, it is possible the fact she wasn't really a male may have played into difficulties she found in dating while posing as a male. Not that her experiment doesn't provide insight...but I don't think it makes her any ultimate authority on how difficult life is for males, let alone those on the spectrum....does she have autism?


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19 Jul 2015, 12:38 am

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I don't think it's possible to "learn all about NT women", they're a vastly varied group ranging from shy and studious to loud, dumb and aggressive. Unless it's treating them as human beings which Aspies need to learn to do with all people.


There's a lot of things one can learn such as NT women need "small talk" which is someone listening to them in the moment (which Aspies hate small talk), someone to actually spend time with like watching a movie together and cuddling (something that a lot of Aspies don't like), talking about "feelings" which Aspies think logically, wanting certain dates on the calendar to be acknowledged (birthdays, anniversaries), little tokens of affection (not expensive either), and the dreaded "L" word said often. I read that to Aspie men some of these don't make sense, but they should just do them anyway. NT men need to learn some of these things too - just not as many.


I do all the things you listed :D
but I've learned that talking about emotions only means talking about her emotions, men aren't suppose to share theirs or they get called un confident.



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19 Jul 2015, 12:53 am

my husband talks about his emotions often. i have never labeled him for it.



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19 Jul 2015, 1:07 am

XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
And by the way this is a lesbian posing as a male...not a real male, or even someone who has been proven to actually pass as convincing male....just a lesbain who wanted to be an inprofessional experiment without proper mesures of the factors and causes of said event even though they said they wont consent. So not sure how this is entirely relevent to 'life of males' in the military, when its about snow and ice people aren'te even fully exposed to in any event that is show.



Why do you hate her so much? :P

What you call "This", is a woman, and her being lesbian doesn't make her any less person nor less female.

Her experiment was revolutionary, one of a kind.

She might not have brought all answers to women how life it is like to be a man, but she brought something, some insight.


Not really.

Transgendered people live this "experiment" all the time.


Not exactly as they actually identify as something other than their birth sex...like on a deep level like 'man trapped in a womans body, or 'woman trapped in a mans body rather than someone who identifies as a female posing as a male...for the former its not 'posing' it is their real identity..not something taken on for the specific purpose of an experiment.


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19 Jul 2015, 1:52 am

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my husband talks about his emotions often. i have never labeled him for it.


lucky, but has't been my experience with the women I've tried to date. as soon as I stop sharing my emotions they said was confident. share them say i lack confident. its really sad I must keep my emotions and concerns bottled up.



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19 Jul 2015, 4:36 am

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my husband talks about his emotions often. i have never labeled him for it.
lucky, but has't been my experience with the women I've tried to date. as soon as I stop sharing my emotions they said was confident. share them say i lack confident. its really sad I must keep my emotions and concerns bottled up.
The trick is to share only those feelings that she is comfortable with. Never let her see you angry or sad; only let her see you happy or content.



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19 Jul 2015, 4:53 am

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I'm kind of thinking that the discovery that was made was that a social role you've suddenly been thrust into is harder than one you've been socialised into since birth.



But Norah was a tomboy as a child, and a non-typically feminine woman and lesbian as adult, so I highly doubt she followed a typical social role since birth.



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19 Jul 2015, 10:33 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
And by the way this is a lesbian posing as a male...not a real male, or even someone who has been proven to actually pass as convincing male....just a lesbain who wanted to be an inprofessional experiment without proper mesures of the factors and causes of said event even though they said they wont consent. So not sure how this is entirely relevent to 'life of males' in the military, when its about snow and ice people aren'te even fully exposed to in any event that is show.



Why do you hate her so much? :P

What you call "This", is a woman, and her being lesbian doesn't make her any less person nor less female.

Her experiment was revolutionary, one of a kind.

She might not have brought all answers to women how life it is like to be a man, but she brought something, some insight.


Not really.

Transgendered people live this "experiment" all the time.


Maybe - but they didn't film the experience nor wrote a book.

but here the thing: Trans are hardly not recognizable.
When I browse dating profiles - I can tell quickly who's tran with high accurancy.

While Norah's diguise was done by pros.

Sure, some assumed she's gay, but this is a common assumption that happens all the time among people toward the not-so-manly men.
In high school, I was assumed to be gay by girls, the reason why? Turned out because I have never flirted with one.
I've overheard my friend trying to convince one (a popular girl) that I am not gay, that is when I've learned her and her friends assumed the same thing.

I think you WP girls hate her because she proves that guys have it harder - oh well... that's weird... you should be pleased you are women instead. :p


Still do not see where anyone said they hate her....also here you go again acting like this study that shows neurotypical males might have more difficulties picking up women to date than their neurotypical female counterparts. How on earth does that prove 'men have it harder than all you WP girls' huh? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. And whats with your obsession of who has it 'harder' its like the worst kind of pissing contest...in other words who cares?

Also you do realize there is more to life than relationships/dating right?....so even if it could be proven without a doubt 'all' females of every neurotype have it easier than all males in general in the dating world that says nothing about other aspects of life. I could complain about how life is harder as a female because we have 'that time of the month' but does it really make sense to base who has an easier life on one part of life?


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19 Jul 2015, 10:45 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I'm kind of thinking that the discovery that was made was that a social role you've suddenly been thrust into is harder than one you've been socialised into since birth.



But Norah was a tomboy as a child, and a non-typically feminine woman and lesbian as adult, so I highly doubt she followed a typical social role since birth.



Being a tomboy does not negate all female socialization....not sure what non-typically female means exactly. And being a lesbian or straight has no bearing on how feminine or unfeminine a woman is anymore than that myth all gay guys are 'feminine' when there are plenty of masculine ones. Perhaps she did not follow an entirely typical social role since birth...but still she was not born and raised as male, nor transgender so her experience is going to be different than someone who's been living as a male for years...which will unfortunately skew the results of the study. Just the way it is....doesn't mean I hate her.


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19 Jul 2015, 10:48 am

To get a date with a stranger, a reasonably attractive woman need only make herself available; but a reasonably attractive man must actively approach dozens of female strangers before even one of them says "Yes".

Men chase; women choose. Yes, the social dynamics really are just that simple.

Personally, I preferred turning the tables by exploring interests that women seemed to find attractive, and then playing a passive role by waiting for one of them to approach me while engaging in that interest. This is diametrically opposed to the PUA philosophy, but it worked for me.



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Sweetleaf wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
And by the way this is a lesbian posing as a male...not a real male, or even someone who has been proven to actually pass as convincing male....just a lesbain who wanted to be an inprofessional experiment without proper mesures of the factors and causes of said event even though they said they wont consent. So not sure how this is entirely relevent to 'life of males' in the military, when its about snow and ice people aren'te even fully exposed to in any event that is show.



Why do you hate her so much? :P

What you call "This", is a woman, and her being lesbian doesn't make her any less person nor less female.

Her experiment was revolutionary, one of a kind.

She might not have brought all answers to women how life it is like to be a man, but she brought something, some insight.


Not really.

Transgendered people live this "experiment" all the time.


Maybe - but they didn't film the experience nor wrote a book.

but here the thing: Trans are hardly not recognizable.
When I browse dating profiles - I can tell quickly who's tran with high accurancy.

While Norah's diguise was done by pros.

Sure, some assumed she's gay, but this is a common assumption that happens all the time among people toward the not-so-manly men.
In high school, I was assumed to be gay by girls, the reason why? Turned out because I have never flirted with one.
I've overheard my friend trying to convince one (a popular girl) that I am not gay, that is when I've learned her and her friends assumed the same thing.

I think you WP girls hate her because she proves that guys have it harder - oh well... that's weird... you should be pleased you are women instead. :p


Still do not see where anyone said they hate her....also here you go again acting like this study that shows neurotypical males might have more difficulties picking up women to date than their neurotypical female counterparts. How on earth does that prove 'men have it harder than all you WP girls' huh? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. And whats with your obsession of who has it 'harder' its like the worst kind of pissing contest...in other words who cares?

Also you do realize there is more to life than relationships/dating right?....so even if it could be proven without a doubt 'all' females of every neurotype have it easier than all males in general in the dating world that says nothing about other aspects of life. I could complain about how life is harder as a female because we have 'that time of the month' but does it really make sense to base who has an easier life on one part of life?


The other aspects in life?

Quote:
The study, which analyzed data from 47,000 people, considered happiness levels of men and women. It found in their 20s, women are happier than men. Researchers blame that on young men's lackluster love lives and low-paying first jobs, Bowers reports.

The gap closes with age - and by 48, men are happier. The study suggests it's because by then men are married and better off financially.


I think you're in 20s if I am not mistaken.