Do you think u'll end up a 40 y.o. virgin?

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If the flag on your avatar indicates your country of residence, that's not helping you, sorry. I keep reading news articles in the US, that make Sweden look like the most feminist country in the world. One article talked about a Swedish political party that wanted to pass laws requiring all men to pay, wait for it... domestic violence taxes. That can't be good for your self-esteem, given how you describe your looks. And a politician telling you that your gender is horrible just pours salt in the wound.

"Cucked"? That's a PUA term. Have you been reading that material too?

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I don't have to read their material directly to be familiar with it--as a woman existing on the internet (and some feminist spaces therein), I've had those terms lobbed at me by enough angry men/trolls to figure out what they mean. Know your enemy, they say; to that end I will admit I have read a couple articles and excerpts, from those types of places online. Like I know what "negging" is and various of their other BS "strategies" so I can recognise them IRL if they are ever used against me, and treat the offending jerkwad accordingly.

On behalf of the female counterpart, I'd like to apologize for the Neanderthals. I really don't understand why some males feel the need to degrade women that just want to be treated equally and fairly. It's as if they are afraid their manhood is under attack if you aren't submissive. At a primitive instinctual level, I feel the need to protect women so that type of thinking disgusts me. You may not like me saying that, but it's part of me in the sense of fight or flight, purely reflexive. I fully understand you are capable of protecting yourself, I just can't understand why some men act the way they do.

The whole point of PUA is learning to understand your "enemy". It's like reading a police training manual to learn how to get out of a traffic ticket. The alleged "negging" barely even scratches the surface. But I can understand not wanting to mistake a beta male who memorized the "neg" technique for an alpha male who does it naturally. Also, the term "negging" is outdated. It was common in mid to late 2000's, but is becoming increasingly archaic.

OK, off my soapbox now. Carry on as you were.

I hate that kinda juvenile gamesmanship and will not partake.

You misunderstand me completely.

Not without a time machine to go back and unf**k everyone I've ever been with.

Really just came to post a big at the only non-virgin poll option assuming one night stands vs. people having relationships & also that you must be desperate if you do opt for a one night stand. Newsflash: Some of us are in, or have been in, relationships - or even married. Others who decide that one night stands are for them aren't necessarily desperate. People do choose to do these things for pleasure w/o a shred of desperation. Different strokes for different folks.

Don't apologise--if you want to help, then talk to other men about it. When you hear men being gross about women, speak up and let them know that's not OK. Guys like that are more likely to listen to you than they are to me; they are more likely to consider your point of view and care about your opinion of them because you are male. Let them know they are not in the majority, that other men (good men) look down on their behaviour and think it's pathetic--that will matter to them more than it bothering me and other women will matter.

Evidence showed that Neanderthal women joined men in the hunt.

Maybe someone should inform the knuckle draggers they are doing it wrong. These types of guys typically are the type that thinks violence against women is okay to keep them submissive. Can't respect that type of person so don't bother sticking up for them.

Actually, men who are strongly opposed to PUA are referred to as "white knights", and aren't looked up to, either. So their opinion isn't likely to be taken seriously, unless they can present compelling personal examples. Sorry! It is what it is. Also, some of the early PUA material, before that term even existed, even suggest things that today's PUA authors would be horrified at, like regularly giving small gifts to make yourself look generous. So PUA does evolve; "negging" will be replaced by something else in 5 to 10 years.

And you know what? A lot of us men don't like using PUA tactics. We just do it because we have to, because the "nice" tactics failed us, because we're trying to keep ourselves from getting cheated on (a.k.a. cucked). We see PUA as a necessary evil, like the police on roads or the politicians in office. Heck, my former friend, who was the alpha-est guy I've ever met, negged girls constantly, and they practically stood in line to have sex with him: 4 regular FWB's and frequent ongoing hookups.

Call it whatever you want, I care not. It's about having a conscious and doing the right thing, no reward is required. When someone that truly needs help in an emergency, you don't stop and think about it, you react, whether that be run towards it or away. When you see intolerance you stand up to it or allow it to continue and join the side of the bigot. When you witness injustice, you help those in need or be neutral turning a blind eye and join the side of the oppressor. When inequality happens, you help your fellow humans gain their equality or etcetera, etcetera, you get the idea.

Only by men into PUA (which is a small minority and an echo-chamber.) Most adult men see PUA tactics for what they are: rapey BS. Most men do not look up to PUA guys.

Abusive people often have superficial charm and are very socially capable (look at psychopaths, who manipulate and lie easily to get what they want out of people) and are good at fooling people who are vulnerable or socially naive (like people on the spectrum, for example.) Wanting to learn how to exploit the weak and easily suggestible women to get them to sleep with you on false pretenses is not behaviour that is looked up to by most men. I feel very sorry for you if you believe that to be true, the men you have known must be sh***y examples of men if they led you to believe otherwise. Most of the men I have known in my life think these sorts of guys (PUAs) are pathetic. YMMV.

Also, your friend sounds like just the kind of guy I would avoid like the plague, as he's likely riddled with STDs. There are more than enough girls out there who are beyond the reach of such dudes because we don't drink or hang out in bars looking to be "picked up", because we have self-esteem and standards. Some of us have become immune to manipulation because we've studied how it's done and what signs to look for (there are always red flags that are easy to spot when you've done your research.)

Meh. I'd rather use this allegedly "rapey" material, risk ruffling a few feathers, and falsely pass off as an alpha male, than to "be myself" and end up in the kind of relationship beta males have: abusive and soul-destroying. After all, one minute of negging is easier to handle than one hour of verbal abuse. (My most recent relationship was abusive, so I speak from experience.) Only to later get arrested and have my career ruined because she filed fake battery charges, solely because she met a true alpha male (unlike a lowly beta who read a PUA book) and wanted an easy way to get rid of me.

Either way, I'm done! You won. Talking about PUA on here is like convincing Trump to embrace Obamacare. Enjoy the rest of this thread without me.

Negging IS verbal abuse--you are insulting someone to make them feel insecure, to manipulate them into a more emotionally vulnerable state where they might be more open to being hit on to shore up their self-esteem that you've just intentionally chipped away at. That is verbal abuse, buddy. The fact that you've been in an abusive situation and still can't recognise what abuse it is concerning.

The first time I have sex will probably be bad anyways. Woudn't surprise me at all if a girl rejected me afterward or soon afterwards because of how shy and awkward I will be. It probably wont be great for her the first time.

But with a little bit of time, patience (and lube) before you know it i'll be a faking machine!