Rape, Victim-Blaming, and... random stuff about religion

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In the cases of child grooming, yes the children are being groomed because they are white and they can be raped and won't go to the police.

This does not mean that muslim men do not attack older girls and women, but those show up on the rape convictions and before you ask yes if you look at the official government stats muslims are massively over represented in sex crimes.

There are white men that are paedophiles as well of course just as there are white men that are rapists, I would never for a second pretend that there weren't.

The problem is different because of one glaringly obvious fact, if you ask a catholic what they think about catholic priests abusing children, they are unanimously shocked and horrified by it, none of them are going to shrug and blame the victim. The fallout in Ireland over the sex scandals has devastated the catholic church because people are so disgusted by the behaviour.

In contrast muslim men who are non rapists feel the need to defend the muslim rapists by blaming the children because they exist in a culture where that behaviour is perfectly acceptable. They have been raised from birth to believe that women should be covered and escorted by a male family member at all times and any woman that doesn't conform to this behaviour is a whore.

The effect of this push to get religious leaders to speak out against raping white children is one of fear that the muslim community is going to get physically attacked because of it by angry white people, it is in no way a philosophical enlightenment where the religious leaders will say to the men, women are people too, stop treating them like pieces of s**t.

This, right here was my point too. You are responsible for mitigating your own risks. When the state makes it harder to assist someone because it leaves the assister liable, it's even more imperative that either you can deal with the risk or avoid it. You're on your own.

Then why are you creating risk right now? Sorry I just don't buy it ... you've got some psychological issue with women, its abundantly apparent from your posting history, and that's all this is. You're not looking out for them. Nobody's naieve enough to believe that, except others with the same issues as you.

Yeah. DC, I see what you are saying, that it is engrained in Muslim culture to treat women as lesser beings. I can understand if a Muslim woman living in an Arabic country would want to dress from head to toe to protect herself from these men, partly because the law is in favour of men and she would probably be shunned or blamed if she was raped while not being in traditional clothing.

But when it comes down to women who live in countries where they are protected from the blame, I don't see how the cultural argument is relevant. The Muslim community will be a minority, and would have to abide by the law. It will not side with a man who says she was "asking for it" anymore. If she calls the police, they will come to her aid. It's a different world entirely.

But I agree that the religious leaders and Muslim politicians are perpetuating the problem in Muslim-dominant nations by their inaction and victim blame. I think the attitude by the non-rapists and law enforcers has a bigger impact on the well-being of women than the rapists themselves.

These leaders normalize rape by siding with rapists and blaming the victim. They also allow rape to happen by their inaction when rapes are reported, and by making women fearful of reporting in the first place because of the sociological implications it may have (shunning, persecution, a draining court case where she would fend off accusations that it was her fault, etc). Also the religion in my opinion is deeply flawed and centuries behind in terms of women's rights. Religious leaders just keep the ideology going.

If you see something criminal and don't do anything, or you create an environment where it is justified, you are technically an accomplice to the crime.

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insightful

If it's his culture that dictates crime, they'll take that into account. They have done so in the past. Additionally, some European countries have informally-recognised additional shariah courts by now. Furthermore, something being illegal will not stop them from doing it. A lot of muslims living in Europe openly and categorically reject western values, western culture, western politics - essentially, everything but western money, which they're glad to receive.

You mean just Islam or all religions? because all religions are deeply flawed and centuries behind in terms of women's rights

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Good point Boo!

Oh my Ba'al, El, Achtarout and all the Canaanite gods!! It's the apocalypse!!

DogsWithoutHorses praised a post of mine!!

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Criminal abuse in our law is still abuse regardless of if his culture of origin allows it or not. In Canada, spanking is charged as physical abuse, regardless of if it is legal in the parent's culture of origin. By "taking it into account", I'm sure they would take note of the cultural attitude, but they would still charge him under the law of the country where the crime happened, unless there is some allowance for him to be charged in his country of origin? I'm not sure about what you mean by "take that into account".

It doesn't matter if he rejects western values, he will still be treated equally in the eyes of the law.

But if you're saying that the European justice system bends the rules for these Muslim men, well, I don't know about that.

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Good point

Not an expert on religions, but I would agree with you

Except Islam is, by far, the worst large religion in the world when it comes to human rights. Islam is the driving force behind Saudi Arabia's social policies, Iran's social policies, Iraq's gay clubbing squads, Indonesia's sectarian violence, massacres in Libya, violence against Coptic Christians in Egypt, and more African and Middle Eastern terrorist and rebel groups than one can possibly imagine. Honestly, the religion argument would hold if there was currently any other religion in the world that inspired that amount of human rights abuses and violence. We're discussing Islam here, which has the world's worst track record for human rights at the moment.

I take it you don't live in Europe, DogsWithoutHorses. Why is it that everyone who argues about these things comes from a region that's practically without muslims, and often a dominion?



Here's the difference. In terms of cultural policies, immigration policies and criminal justice, Canada is positively xenophobic and authoritarian compared to Europe. Canada's current policies, as well as Australia's, are a wet dream for European conservatives. Judges - we don't have a jury in our continental system of law - do not simply read the law and determine guilt. They're just as much rehabilitation officers. If someone was sexually abused, that's a reason for them to lower the sentence. If someone was culturally inclined to do something, that can also be a reason to lower a sentence. Sometimes, civil precedents in islamic law are accepted in secular courts.

uummm, maybe worst but not by far..

Not really


Just a reminder:






What's making Islam the worst nowadays is the willingness and the desire of many of his/her followers to make it the national constitution of where they're living.

Let the Christianity or Judaism be the law of the US and Europe and the outcome won't be much better than the Sharia.


Do you know that radical jews are trying to kick out the female soldiers out of the Israeli army? To be honest, i am not that sad because that means less military force for our enemy! bahahahahaa! But can't deny the retardation of this trend. Us and Israel are going into opposing trends in fact : http://www.dailystar.com.lb/PhotoGaller ... z1z2JiGYi1

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The largest offensive against homosexuals was perpetrated by communist governments; all of which were led by atheist dictators.



One study concluded that 70% of all Israeli muslims opposed the death penalty... less than half of all Americans do.

I'm willing to go that far. Islam is, by far, the worst major religion on the planet for the type of human rights currently maintained in the western world.



Exactly. That's it.



But they won't. They're not making superstitious religious laws as written by several crazy old men their laws punishable by death, mutilation or collective punishment, whereas most of the Middle East, parts of the Maghreb and islamic parts of Asia can plead guilty to that. We're talking about the way the world is, not would be, and as it is, people giving a political dimension to Islam are a disastrous plague.



Israel is a hole, and there's no point in trying to get me to defend it. However, in terms of human rights, even Israel is much better than the countries surrounding it within a wide radius.



There were indeed several. However, at the moment, adherents of Islam are guilty of much, much more, in many more fields.



What are you trying to say here? I strongly support the death penalty, and I think it's a shame it's an increasing taboo. What I don't support, however, is to exclude and punish people based on the way they were born rather than for what they did, which is something most muslims in the world have yet to find out.

As for taking it somewhere else, I'd support that - but the thread doesn't seem to be on a list for being moved. Might request that from moderators later.

Well, at least we're not discussing victim blame anymore. I'm done here.