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11 Jan 2017, 10:30 pm

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In response to someone's post who wrote about someone could have an ASD or a personality disorder, I don't care what disorder anyone has, if any of your behavior is toxic and overwhelming for me and it's going cause you to do abuse and control me and bring down my low self esteem and give me anxiety and be so cold towards me and non empathetic and non understanding, and bring me into depression, you're out of here. A label doesn't matter, only the behavior does and how you make me feel and how well you treat me. Being a martyr isn't good for you and either is white knighting.


Now more red flags: Trying to get me to cut off friends just because they are not the right gender and getting mad at me for who I talk to. I bet my ex would have also gotten mad at me if I wanted to go out with friends or go to groups and he tried to get me to cut off my online friends who weren't female and telling me I can only talk to aspie ones. Really I shouldn't have to go online and then ignore anyone who isn't a woman and imagine if someone sent me a PM and I ignore it because they were a guy? What kind of life would that be not being able to interact with anyone online unless they were a woman?


Trust issues is also another red flag.


"Now more red flags: Trying to get me to cut off friends just because they are not the right gender and getting mad at me for who I talk to. I bet my ex would have also gotten mad at me if I wanted to go out with friends or go to groups and he tried to get me to cut off my online friends who weren't female and telling me I can only talk to aspie ones. Really I shouldn't have to go online and then ignore anyone who isn't a woman and imagine if someone sent me a PM and I ignore it because they were a guy? What kind of life would that be not being able to interact with anyone online unless they were a woman?"

I see this as a big red flag. I had set up a thread just on this topic about how men and women can't just be friends. If I had a Hunny with several "girl" friends - not going to work out. It's a recipe for disaster. I see this setup being ok for a lot of Aspies, but IMO, NT women do not go for it.



I'm lost. Are you trying to say men and women can't be friends and someone who will talk to anyone online is a red flag?

I talk to anyone online. Gender doesn't matter and I am not looking for a relationship or for a hook up. If I go to a group, it doesn't matter who is there and who I talk to. Gender doesn't matter. I am not looking for a relationship. BTW when I respond to posts here, I am sure talking to someone here and should I not reply to a post here because it was posted by a guy? That is how controlling it felt for me by my ex.

My husband plays online games and I don't really care who he talks to on there. I know he has talked to females on there but it's just normal chats and I never made him dump his online friends who were female he met from the game.


I don't see a forum such as this being any problem. I see texting and going out in groups of both men and women without your Hunny or spouse as a problem as those are more personal where you actually are with the people. Why text a guy friend when you could be texting your Hunny and saying sweet "somethings"? :mrgreen:



What if your partner doesn't want to go? Should you not go either?

Should I not attend a support group because there might be guys there more than women or should I not go to a gaming group because there could be guys there or not go to a munch? That is what I am talking about.

Also I talk to anyone online. That doesn't mean I am looking for a hook up. Just talk to your partner about boundaries and if he doesn't want you sexting or showing your nudes or any of your private parts or doing any posing for them, that is fine and not controlling just as long as they are not dictating about who you should talk to. Many people would consider this cheating, especially if you act out kinks with another person. But if it's just normal chatting like things about in life or about hobbies or interests or just someone you know from a forum or game, that is fine IMO. If a guy doesn't like that, we wouldn't be together. To me it would be too controlling and trying to cut me off from social life and friends and trying to keep me sheltered.


Now I'm confused. Are there guys out there that think this is ok?

"Just talk to your partner about boundaries and if he doesn't want you sexting or showing your nudes or any of your private parts or doing any posing for them, that is fine and not controlling".

If my Hunny was ever doing the above or said it was ok for me to do - I'm outta there (after I give him a big kick in the a$$)!



My husband is fine with it. He doesn't care who I talk to online and what groups I go to. He doesn't want to go to either of them because he as social anxiety so people make him anxious. He has gone to my support group a couple times when they would do a pot luck but that's it and he talked to men and women there.

My dad did Hood to coast here when I was a kid and he had women friends whom he met on his team and they had their own husbands and their husbands didn't care if they were friends with my dad and one of them worked for my father and then she quit her job. My mom didn't care that he had friends that were women. One time his former fiance dropped by at our house with her husband and children and they visited all day. My dad also has a friend out in Wisconsin who is a girl and she was married to his friend and they divorced.

I guess where I come from, you can be friends with anyone no matter what gender they are so to me to to dictate who your partner can talk to and be friends with is foreign to me so it feels controlling so I would be out of there too if my partner started to say I couldn't talk to someone because they are not a female.


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11 Jan 2017, 10:32 pm

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In response to someone's post who wrote about someone could have an ASD or a personality disorder, I don't care what disorder anyone has, if any of your behavior is toxic and overwhelming for me and it's going cause you to do abuse and control me and bring down my low self esteem and give me anxiety and be so cold towards me and non empathetic and non understanding, and bring me into depression, you're out of here. A label doesn't matter, only the behavior does and how you make me feel and how well you treat me. Being a martyr isn't good for you and either is white knighting.


Now more red flags: Trying to get me to cut off friends just because they are not the right gender and getting mad at me for who I talk to. I bet my ex would have also gotten mad at me if I wanted to go out with friends or go to groups and he tried to get me to cut off my online friends who weren't female and telling me I can only talk to aspie ones. Really I shouldn't have to go online and then ignore anyone who isn't a woman and imagine if someone sent me a PM and I ignore it because they were a guy? What kind of life would that be not being able to interact with anyone online unless they were a woman?


Trust issues is also another red flag.


"Now more red flags: Trying to get me to cut off friends just because they are not the right gender and getting mad at me for who I talk to. I bet my ex would have also gotten mad at me if I wanted to go out with friends or go to groups and he tried to get me to cut off my online friends who weren't female and telling me I can only talk to aspie ones. Really I shouldn't have to go online and then ignore anyone who isn't a woman and imagine if someone sent me a PM and I ignore it because they were a guy? What kind of life would that be not being able to interact with anyone online unless they were a woman?"

I see this as a big red flag. I had set up a thread just on this topic about how men and women can't just be friends. If I had a Hunny with several "girl" friends - not going to work out. It's a recipe for disaster. I see this setup being ok for a lot of Aspies, but IMO, NT women do not go for it.



I'm lost. Are you trying to say men and women can't be friends and someone who will talk to anyone online is a red flag?

I talk to anyone online. Gender doesn't matter and I am not looking for a relationship or for a hook up. If I go to a group, it doesn't matter who is there and who I talk to. Gender doesn't matter. I am not looking for a relationship. BTW when I respond to posts here, I am sure talking to someone here and should I not reply to a post here because it was posted by a guy? That is how controlling it felt for me by my ex.

My husband plays online games and I don't really care who he talks to on there. I know he has talked to females on there but it's just normal chats and I never made him dump his online friends who were female he met from the game.


I don't see a forum such as this being any problem. I see texting and going out in groups of both men and women without your Hunny or spouse as a problem as those are more personal where you actually are with the people. Why text a guy friend when you could be texting your Hunny and saying sweet "somethings"? :mrgreen:



What if your partner doesn't want to go? Should you not go either?

Should I not attend a support group because there might be guys there more than women or should I not go to a gaming group because there could be guys there or not go to a munch? That is what I am talking about.

Also I talk to anyone online. That doesn't mean I am looking for a hook up. Just talk to your partner about boundaries and if he doesn't want you sexting or showing your nudes or any of your private parts or doing any posing for them, that is fine and not controlling just as long as they are not dictating about who you should talk to. Many people would consider this cheating, especially if you act out kinks with another person. But if it's just normal chatting like things about in life or about hobbies or interests or just someone you know from a forum or game, that is fine IMO. If a guy doesn't like that, we wouldn't be together. To me it would be too controlling and trying to cut me off from social life and friends and trying to keep me sheltered.


Now I'm confused. Are there guys out there that think this is ok?

"Just talk to your partner about boundaries and if he doesn't want you sexting or showing your nudes or any of your private parts or doing any posing for them, that is fine and not controlling".

If my Hunny was ever doing the above or said it was ok for me to do - I'm outta there (after I give him a big kick in the a$$)!



My husband is fine with it. He doesn't care who I talk to online and what groups I go to. He doesn't want to go to either of them because he as social anxiety so people make him anxious. He has gone to my support group a couple times when they would do a pot luck but that's it and he talked to men and women there.

My dad did Hood to coast here when I was a kid and he had women friends whom he met on his team and they had their own husbands and their husbands didn't care if they were friends with my dad and one of them worked for my father and then she quit her job. My mom didn't care that he had friends that were women. One time his former fiance dropped by at our house with her husband and children and they visited all day. My dad also has a friend out in Wisconsin who is a girl and she was married to his friend and they divorced.

I guess where I come from, you can be friends with anyone no matter what gender they are so to me to to dictate who your partner can talk to and be friends with is foreign to me so it feels controlling so I would be out of there too if my partner started to say I couldn't talk to someone because they are not a female.


Your husband is ok with you sexting and showing nude pictures of yourself?


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11 Jan 2017, 10:36 pm

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My brother once dated a girl in high school and she wouldn't let him go out anywhere with his friends so one day my brother couldn't go to Missoula with us because his girlfriend would have gotten mad at him if he did and I felt mad at my brother for letting him control him. Why doesn't she just come too you know? What was stopping her? My brothers were having their friends come along too and she didn't want him going with us. Nope I will never let anyone treat me that way and my brother dodged a bullet when they broke up. He tried to stay friends but she kept on going "hey we are getting along, we should get back together" and he started to avoid her after a while because she kept on bringing it up and he had made it clear they were done. She did become a crazy ex because she came to my house and trashed his bedroom and her intention was to get his attention so he would call her and ask her to help him clean it up but instead he called his new friend who is a girl and she found out and got mad. Then she was bragging about what she did to my brother only for a rumor to start and everyone thought she was crazy because they thought she broke his window, slashed his mattress, etc. and everyone was telling my brother good thing he broke up with her because she is nuts. I was harsh about it because I told my mom my brother should just leave it alone and let kids think whatever because it serves her right but my mom didn't agree and said she just needed counseling so she was telling my brother he needs to go to school and tell everyone what really happened. But even then I didn't care for controllers and abusers and didn't want to be near them but it was ironic I got into a relationship with one and didn't realize it. But I wouldn't let him dictate who I can talk to online. I wouldn't let him control me either so I would wait until he was gone before I would talk to my parents on the phone so he couldn't get mad at me about it and butt in and want to know what we talked about. I let him call me self centered and not give in. It was as if I was defiant because I wouldn't let him control me. I thought he was paranoid anyway. I added that to my red flag list, too paranoid.


I don't see any problem with a girl's or guy's night out - but not a lot to where it's every week. Once you decide to be a couple with someone, then you are a couple. I think you should always ask your Hunny if they want to go and if they don't then it is still ok to go. I am also one that believes you should call your other half (after you are married) to let them know where you are and to check in otherwise they could worry and wonder what is going on. When one is single, I don't think you should have to check in with anyone, but once you are married then you have a duty to that other person to let them know where you are. Am I rambling? Does that make sense? When you are married, it's not just you anymore.



Yes it's normal to let your partner know where you are going and when you will be back and for them to call you to see when you will be home and for you to call them if you are out late. My husband gets worried if I am not home at a certain time after work because it's late and he doesn't know if something happened. I did see a video on youtube once (I can't remember the url) but it was about difference between being controlling and what is normal and showing you were they are stepping over the line into controlling from normal. That made me think "Yipes being curious can make you look controlling so don't ask too many questions."


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11 Jan 2017, 10:37 pm

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League_Girl wrote:
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In response to someone's post who wrote about someone could have an ASD or a personality disorder, I don't care what disorder anyone has, if any of your behavior is toxic and overwhelming for me and it's going cause you to do abuse and control me and bring down my low self esteem and give me anxiety and be so cold towards me and non empathetic and non understanding, and bring me into depression, you're out of here. A label doesn't matter, only the behavior does and how you make me feel and how well you treat me. Being a martyr isn't good for you and either is white knighting.


Now more red flags: Trying to get me to cut off friends just because they are not the right gender and getting mad at me for who I talk to. I bet my ex would have also gotten mad at me if I wanted to go out with friends or go to groups and he tried to get me to cut off my online friends who weren't female and telling me I can only talk to aspie ones. Really I shouldn't have to go online and then ignore anyone who isn't a woman and imagine if someone sent me a PM and I ignore it because they were a guy? What kind of life would that be not being able to interact with anyone online unless they were a woman?


Trust issues is also another red flag.


"Now more red flags: Trying to get me to cut off friends just because they are not the right gender and getting mad at me for who I talk to. I bet my ex would have also gotten mad at me if I wanted to go out with friends or go to groups and he tried to get me to cut off my online friends who weren't female and telling me I can only talk to aspie ones. Really I shouldn't have to go online and then ignore anyone who isn't a woman and imagine if someone sent me a PM and I ignore it because they were a guy? What kind of life would that be not being able to interact with anyone online unless they were a woman?"

I see this as a big red flag. I had set up a thread just on this topic about how men and women can't just be friends. If I had a Hunny with several "girl" friends - not going to work out. It's a recipe for disaster. I see this setup being ok for a lot of Aspies, but IMO, NT women do not go for it.



I'm lost. Are you trying to say men and women can't be friends and someone who will talk to anyone online is a red flag?

I talk to anyone online. Gender doesn't matter and I am not looking for a relationship or for a hook up. If I go to a group, it doesn't matter who is there and who I talk to. Gender doesn't matter. I am not looking for a relationship. BTW when I respond to posts here, I am sure talking to someone here and should I not reply to a post here because it was posted by a guy? That is how controlling it felt for me by my ex.

My husband plays online games and I don't really care who he talks to on there. I know he has talked to females on there but it's just normal chats and I never made him dump his online friends who were female he met from the game.


I don't see a forum such as this being any problem. I see texting and going out in groups of both men and women without your Hunny or spouse as a problem as those are more personal where you actually are with the people. Why text a guy friend when you could be texting your Hunny and saying sweet "somethings"? :mrgreen:



What if your partner doesn't want to go? Should you not go either?

Should I not attend a support group because there might be guys there more than women or should I not go to a gaming group because there could be guys there or not go to a munch? That is what I am talking about.

Also I talk to anyone online. That doesn't mean I am looking for a hook up. Just talk to your partner about boundaries and if he doesn't want you sexting or showing your nudes or any of your private parts or doing any posing for them, that is fine and not controlling just as long as they are not dictating about who you should talk to. Many people would consider this cheating, especially if you act out kinks with another person. But if it's just normal chatting like things about in life or about hobbies or interests or just someone you know from a forum or game, that is fine IMO. If a guy doesn't like that, we wouldn't be together. To me it would be too controlling and trying to cut me off from social life and friends and trying to keep me sheltered.


Now I'm confused. Are there guys out there that think this is ok?

"Just talk to your partner about boundaries and if he doesn't want you sexting or showing your nudes or any of your private parts or doing any posing for them, that is fine and not controlling".

If my Hunny was ever doing the above or said it was ok for me to do - I'm outta there (after I give him a big kick in the a$$)!



My husband is fine with it. He doesn't care who I talk to online and what groups I go to. He doesn't want to go to either of them because he as social anxiety so people make him anxious. He has gone to my support group a couple times when they would do a pot luck but that's it and he talked to men and women there.

My dad did Hood to coast here when I was a kid and he had women friends whom he met on his team and they had their own husbands and their husbands didn't care if they were friends with my dad and one of them worked for my father and then she quit her job. My mom didn't care that he had friends that were women. One time his former fiance dropped by at our house with her husband and children and they visited all day. My dad also has a friend out in Wisconsin who is a girl and she was married to his friend and they divorced.

I guess where I come from, you can be friends with anyone no matter what gender they are so to me to to dictate who your partner can talk to and be friends with is foreign to me so it feels controlling so I would be out of there too if my partner started to say I couldn't talk to someone because they are not a female.


Your husband is ok with you sexting and showing nude pictures of yourself?


No I don't do those things. I was saying he doesn't care who I talk to.


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When she is like "You are a man, you must provide me X, Y and Z because I am the woman"; and showing such gender-based entitlements.

When she asks "How much is your salary? / How much you make?" (I have been asked this literally on a first date, twice).

When she is like "If you don't/do do that, then no sex for you this week" = This would warrant an immediate break up for me, in other term she views sex as a reward/punishment/blackmailing tool for a wanted action instead of something she equally desires to do it with her man. Disgusting.

When she keeps bragging how many guys are desperate for her.



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12 Jan 2017, 3:14 am

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Just a quick thanks to all of you. Though I would have a total shutdown when I first posted, just driving myself insane doubting myself and whether or not I did one/multiple things / everything wrong.

You made me feel like I wasnt alone. Like its ok to have boundaries and preferences and in short individuality. In a way have me the strength to stand by them. So thanks. It helped more than you know.

Now I'm proud I stood by my convictions for once.
I just wish he would leave me alone...


The main thing is don't do anything you are not comfortable with

Also have you made it clear your not interested and he need to back off?


Oh yes. 6x now. Doesn't help.



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When she is like "You are a man, you must provide me X, Y and Z because I am the woman"; and showing such gender-based entitlements.

When she asks "How much is your salary? / How much you make?" (I have been asked this literally on a first date, twice).

When she is like "If you don't/do do that, then no sex for you this week" = This would warrant an immediate break up for me, in other term she views sex as a reward/punishment/blackmailing tool for a wanted action instead of something she equally desires to do it with her man. Disgusting.

When she keeps bragging how many guys are desperate for her.


Eek what? Damn those were some pretentious and simultaneously insecure women ...
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When she is like "You are a man, you must provide me X, Y and Z because I am the woman"; and showing such gender-based entitlements.

Yeah, I was watching tv yesterday and there was a story about a guy who had to borrow money from his wife to pay rent for their apartment. From his next pay he had to return everything. He said that it was different before they got married.



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When she is like "You are a man, you must provide me X, Y and Z because I am the woman"; and showing such gender-based entitlements.

When she asks "How much is your salary? / How much you make?" (I have been asked this literally on a first date, twice).

When she is like "If you don't/do do that, then no sex for you this week" = This would warrant an immediate break up for me, in other term she views sex as a reward/punishment/blackmailing tool for a wanted action instead of something she equally desires to do it with her man. Disgusting.

When she keeps bragging how many guys are desperate for her.


Eek what? Damn those were some pretentious and simultaneously insecure women ...
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My 3 isn't uncommon, the 1 and 4 are very common.



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When she is like "You are a man, you must provide me X, Y and Z because I am the woman"; and showing such gender-based entitlements.

When she asks "How much is your salary? / How much you make?" (I have been asked this literally on a first date, twice).

When she is like "If you don't/do do that, then no sex for you this week" = This would warrant an immediate break up for me, in other term she views sex as a reward/punishment/blackmailing tool for a wanted action instead of something she equally desires to do it with her man. Disgusting.

When she keeps bragging how many guys are desperate for her.


Eek what? Damn those were some pretentious and simultaneously insecure women ...
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My 3 isn't uncommon, the 1 and 4 are very common.


Sounds fairly superficial (way of thinking) of them. I make my own money, think sex is a healthy part of a relationship and don't really appreciate romantic desperation. But hey we're all different. On the flip side I'm quite independent and tend to get freaked out by smothering.



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I make my own money, think sex is a healthy part of a relationship and don't really appreciate romantic desperation.

Some women have opinion that wife makes her own money and husband makes family money.



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This is exactly the sort of unambitious woman I wouldn't want to date.


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When she asks "How much is your salary? / How much you make?" (I have been asked this literally on a first date, twice).
I usually end up mentioning that on the first date anyway.
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When she is like "If you don't/do do that, then no sex for you this week" = This would warrant an immediate break up for me, in other term she views sex as a reward/punishment/blackmailing tool for a wanted action instead of something she equally desires to do it with her man. Disgusting.
When I was dating a slightly nympho girl I tried to use sex as an incentive. It didn't work when she correctly worked out that I would have given her sex anyway.

After she dumped me I was able to use her horniness as a way to get her back. I basically said "No sex for you unless we resume our relationship". It worked. For about a week. Then she dumped me again. Then she stopped talking to me because she thought I might try the same trick again.


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When she asks "How much is your salary? / How much you make?" (I have been asked this literally on a first date, twice).
I usually end up mentioning that on the first date anyway.
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
When she is like "If you don't/do do that, then no sex for you this week" = This would warrant an immediate break up for me, in other term she views sex as a reward/punishment/blackmailing tool for a wanted action instead of something she equally desires to do it with her man. Disgusting.
When I was dating a slightly nympho girl I tried to use sex as an incentive. It didn't work when she correctly worked out that I would have given her sex anyway.

After she dumped me I was able to use her horniness as a way to get her back. I basically said "No sex for you unless we resume our relationship". It worked. For about a week. Then she dumped me again. Then she stopped talking to me because she thought I might try the same trick again.


Kind of red flaggy here :lol:



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When she asks "How much is your salary? / How much you make?" (I have been asked this literally on a first date, twice).
I usually end up mentioning that on the first date anyway.
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
When she is like "If you don't/do do that, then no sex for you this week" = This would warrant an immediate break up for me, in other term she views sex as a reward/punishment/blackmailing tool for a wanted action instead of something she equally desires to do it with her man. Disgusting.
When I was dating a slightly nympho girl I tried to use sex as an incentive. It didn't work when she correctly worked out that I would have given her sex anyway.

After she dumped me I was able to use her horniness as a way to get her back. I basically said "No sex for you unless we resume our relationship". It worked. For about a week. Then she dumped me again. Then she stopped talking to me because she thought I might try the same trick again.


You mention how much you make to a first date? What do they say? (Is it wrong of me to ask how much that is since you're so free nilly with the information?) And do they tell you how much they make? And how much do they say?


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12 Jan 2017, 8:40 am

nurseangela wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
When she asks "How much is your salary? / How much you make?" (I have been asked this literally on a first date, twice).
I usually end up mentioning that on the first date anyway.
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
When she is like "If you don't/do do that, then no sex for you this week" = This would warrant an immediate break up for me, in other term she views sex as a reward/punishment/blackmailing tool for a wanted action instead of something she equally desires to do it with her man. Disgusting.
When I was dating a slightly nympho girl I tried to use sex as an incentive. It didn't work when she correctly worked out that I would have given her sex anyway.

After she dumped me I was able to use her horniness as a way to get her back. I basically said "No sex for you unless we resume our relationship". It worked. For about a week. Then she dumped me again. Then she stopped talking to me because she thought I might try the same trick again.
You mention how much you make to a first date? What do they say? (Is it wrong of me to ask how much that is since you're so free nilly with the information?) And do they tell you how much they make? And how much do they say?
I mention that I make $55,000 per year and they respond positively. Then they proceed to tell me how much they make without further prompting. My last GF told me she made $30,000 per year.


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