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11 Jan 2017, 12:03 pm

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If a couple were wealthy enough they could maintain separate homes, and get together on weekends. For instance, it would be nice to stay out near the ocean during the summer, but get together at the city home during the winter.


Well in my opinion you don't have to live like you're single to be in a relationship worth keeping. I wouldn't want to live i a separate house and only get together for weekends and lead totally different lives during the week...even if me and my boyfriend were in the financial situation to afford it.


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11 Jan 2017, 12:21 pm

Peaceful cohabitation is financially and medically beneficial. So the more people you can fit under the same house without hating each other, the better. In that sense, relationships can be great!

Just make sure you share at least one hobby together.



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If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.



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11 Jan 2017, 12:42 pm

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If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.


That would make it a fraction if its not the majority of the U.S

Also people seem to think its perfectly ok if men sleep with multiple women before settling down(if they ever do), so why should women be taught it's not ok for them to sleep with multiple men? I personally don't get the sleeping around /hook up culture stuff...but it would be a double standard to state its ok for males but not ok for females to indulge in it.

I certainly do not deny there are extremist feminists, just pointing out they don't represent the majority of women and plenty women disapprove of those more extreme views.

Also I see media criticize males and females, of course there should be plus sized male models, as for shelters for anyone facing abuse no reason those things cannot be pushed for even if all the media outlets don't approve. And if the relationship between men and women is completely destroyed how is it so many males and females still manage to co-exist?

Also could you site some evidence that most females who file false rape reports get a slap on the wrist, do you know in all these cases it was deemed it was for certain a false report...or did some just lack enough evidence to formally charge anyone?


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11 Jan 2017, 12:50 pm

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If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.


That would make it a fraction if its not the majority of the U.S

Also people seem to think its perfectly ok if men sleep with multiple women before settling down(if they ever do), so why should women be taught it's not ok for them to sleep with multiple men? I personally don't get the sleeping around /hook up culture stuff...but it would be a double standard to state its ok for males but not ok for females to indulge in it.

I certainly do not deny there are extremist feminists, just pointing out they don't represent the majority of women and plenty women disapprove of those more extreme views.

Also I see media criticize males and females, of course there should be plus sized male models, as for shelters for anyone facing abuse no reason those things cannot be pushed for even if all the media outlets don't approve. And if the relationship between men and women is completely destroyed how is it so many males and females still manage to co-exist?

Also could you site some evidence that most females who file false rape reports get a slap on the wrist, do you know in all these cases it was deemed it was for certain a false report...or did some just lack enough evidence to formally charge anyone?

It is not so much sleeping before marriage, it is the hookup culture of no strings attached. The idea of cheating just being okay, for either sex. "Completely" may be an over-statement, however gender relationships have suffered heavily in recent years. Divorce rates are sky high for example.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/opinion/j ... index.html



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11 Jan 2017, 4:18 pm

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This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


So it's pretty much even now, eh? :D
For centuries women have been treated like animals, breeding stock and property, with no chances for education, careers, actual freedom... many women are still being treated as such, so don't be surprised to see the same attitudes in reverse.

Hostile attitudes have always been there, now they're just being expressed. You get men treating men like animals, women treating men like animals, men treating women like animals... it's all human nature I'm afraid. Women are no angels with endless patience, radiating gentle warmth half-holy beings. We can also be full of aggression, vindictive, narcissistic, controlling just like men.

More women now than ever are aware of all sorts of horrible things that some men do to women and girls and this can really have an impact on their general attitude towards men (tough, we all generalize just like you did). Blame abusive, violent men, human traffickers, child pornography addicts, rapists who get ridiculous sentences, wife-beaters... Decent men need to unite against all that pond life and show them those horrible behaviours won't be tolerated.
In many developing, poor countries it's still hell for women and girls and guess what's their main problem? Men and their attitudes, entitlement and tradition placing women next to goats and pigs. Whenever I see a documentary from let's say poorer parts of rural India with young girls in brothels my blood boils. Why won't decent men unite against all that?
(Rant over)

I don't even consider myself a radical feminist... more like a garden variety, quiet one.

And how do men "unite" exactly? Also, are you defending women who file false rape reports; because you are implying that you do and I would like to clarify. I myself am an egalitarian. There should be no special treatment for any set group. Yes, women are still treated poorly but not in western society. Women are favored in divorce court, in custody battles, in pretty much everything in modern day western society; women are given special privileges. Suffering as a majority women do exist OUTSIDE of western society, specifically in Muslim countries; however Muslim countries are given a free pass by the media and the United Nations. They way women are treated in Muslim countries is sickening, yet there is little to no outrage for it abroad. Women in Muslim countries are sentenced to death if they are raped, because they "caused the man to lust". When you go and state things such as, "
So it's pretty much even now, eh? :D" with the stupid :D, you are essentially making fun of the suffering of men in western society as a result of extreme "feminism". Every man who has had their life ruined because of a false rape report, every man who has be a victim of rape, every man who has lost his children in a custody battle. To make comments such as "So it's pretty much even now, eh? :D", means that you are part of the issue. Suffrage is not a joke, no matter what sex.


Here's a good story about a woman who was charged with filing a false rape report, if you're interested:

An Unbelievable Story of Rape


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11 Jan 2017, 4:20 pm

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If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.


It is a crime they prosecute. The following article tells a story of a woman who was charged by police for filing a false rape allegation:

An Unbelievable Story of Rape


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11 Jan 2017, 4:27 pm

Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.


That would make it a fraction if its not the majority of the U.S

Also people seem to think its perfectly ok if men sleep with multiple women before settling down(if they ever do), so why should women be taught it's not ok for them to sleep with multiple men? I personally don't get the sleeping around /hook up culture stuff...but it would be a double standard to state its ok for males but not ok for females to indulge in it.

I certainly do not deny there are extremist feminists, just pointing out they don't represent the majority of women and plenty women disapprove of those more extreme views.

Also I see media criticize males and females, of course there should be plus sized male models, as for shelters for anyone facing abuse no reason those things cannot be pushed for even if all the media outlets don't approve. And if the relationship between men and women is completely destroyed how is it so many males and females still manage to co-exist?

Also could you site some evidence that most females who file false rape reports get a slap on the wrist, do you know in all these cases it was deemed it was for certain a false report...or did some just lack enough evidence to formally charge anyone?

It is not so much sleeping before marriage, it is the hookup culture of no strings attached. The idea of cheating just being okay, for either sex. "Completely" may be an over-statement, however gender relationships have suffered heavily in recent years. Divorce rates are sky high for example.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/opinion/j ... index.html


Perhaps divorce rates are higher, in part, because people are less willing to remain in an unhappy marriage. Values have changed.



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11 Jan 2017, 4:35 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.


That would make it a fraction if its not the majority of the U.S

Also people seem to think its perfectly ok if men sleep with multiple women before settling down(if they ever do), so why should women be taught it's not ok for them to sleep with multiple men? I personally don't get the sleeping around /hook up culture stuff...but it would be a double standard to state its ok for males but not ok for females to indulge in it.

I certainly do not deny there are extremist feminists, just pointing out they don't represent the majority of women and plenty women disapprove of those more extreme views.

Also I see media criticize males and females, of course there should be plus sized male models, as for shelters for anyone facing abuse no reason those things cannot be pushed for even if all the media outlets don't approve. And if the relationship between men and women is completely destroyed how is it so many males and females still manage to co-exist?

Also could you site some evidence that most females who file false rape reports get a slap on the wrist, do you know in all these cases it was deemed it was for certain a false report...or did some just lack enough evidence to formally charge anyone?

It is not so much sleeping before marriage, it is the hookup culture of no strings attached. The idea of cheating just being okay, for either sex. "Completely" may be an over-statement, however gender relationships have suffered heavily in recent years. Divorce rates are sky high for example.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/opinion/j ... index.html


Perhaps divorce rates are higher, in part, because people are less willing to remain in an unhappy marriage. Values have changed.

That's my point. They've changed for the worse.



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Perhaps divorce rates are higher, in part, because people are less willing to remain in an unhappy marriage. Values have changed.

That's my point. They've changed for the worse.


How is getting a divorce rather than remaining in an unhappy marriage an example of things changing for the worse? I only wish my parents had got divorced a lot sooner than they did, would have likely prevented a lot of toxicity in the household growing up and maybe it wouldn't have been such a nasty divorce when it did finally happen.

Though I've been hearing that divorce rates are 'sky high' for years, I wonder which age demographic is having the most divorces.


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Hexen wrote:
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Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Hexen wrote:
If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.


That would make it a fraction if its not the majority of the U.S

Also people seem to think its perfectly ok if men sleep with multiple women before settling down(if they ever do), so why should women be taught it's not ok for them to sleep with multiple men? I personally don't get the sleeping around /hook up culture stuff...but it would be a double standard to state its ok for males but not ok for females to indulge in it.

I certainly do not deny there are extremist feminists, just pointing out they don't represent the majority of women and plenty women disapprove of those more extreme views.

Also I see media criticize males and females, of course there should be plus sized male models, as for shelters for anyone facing abuse no reason those things cannot be pushed for even if all the media outlets don't approve. And if the relationship between men and women is completely destroyed how is it so many males and females still manage to co-exist?

Also could you site some evidence that most females who file false rape reports get a slap on the wrist, do you know in all these cases it was deemed it was for certain a false report...or did some just lack enough evidence to formally charge anyone?

It is not so much sleeping before marriage, it is the hookup culture of no strings attached. The idea of cheating just being okay, for either sex. "Completely" may be an over-statement, however gender relationships have suffered heavily in recent years. Divorce rates are sky high for example.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/opinion/j ... index.html


Perhaps divorce rates are higher, in part, because people are less willing to remain in an unhappy marriage. Values have changed.

That's my point. They've changed for the worse.


From personal experience, I'd say it's a vast change for the better.



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Hexen wrote:
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If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.


That would make it a fraction if its not the majority of the U.S

Also people seem to think its perfectly ok if men sleep with multiple women before settling down(if they ever do), so why should women be taught it's not ok for them to sleep with multiple men? I personally don't get the sleeping around /hook up culture stuff...but it would be a double standard to state its ok for males but not ok for females to indulge in it.

I certainly do not deny there are extremist feminists, just pointing out they don't represent the majority of women and plenty women disapprove of those more extreme views.

Also I see media criticize males and females, of course there should be plus sized male models, as for shelters for anyone facing abuse no reason those things cannot be pushed for even if all the media outlets don't approve. And if the relationship between men and women is completely destroyed how is it so many males and females still manage to co-exist?

Also could you site some evidence that most females who file false rape reports get a slap on the wrist, do you know in all these cases it was deemed it was for certain a false report...or did some just lack enough evidence to formally charge anyone?

It is not so much sleeping before marriage, it is the hookup culture of no strings attached. The idea of cheating just being okay, for either sex. "Completely" may be an over-statement, however gender relationships have suffered heavily in recent years. Divorce rates are sky high for example.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/opinion/j ... index.html


There is nothing wrong with having casual sex if you know the person. Why should there be strings attached if you are both happy and in agreement. It's not like it stops you from being happy later on.

There is a double standard when it comes to rape allegations but maybe we should make men more comfortable with coming forward rather than criminalising rape victims. In england a man cannot be legally raped and that is frankly atrocious.

At the same time when a rape is committed there is no way to assume innocence for both parties. It's very difficult to come forward as a rape victim without being made to feel like a liar although I respect being accused of rape is a God awful thing. But what is the answer?



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11 Jan 2017, 5:57 pm

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Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.

Did you read the article I provided that is an example of a woman being charged with filing a false report of rape? It's a good example of a woman not getting a slap on the wrist for filing a false rape claim--the police went after her with a vengeance.


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11 Jan 2017, 6:33 pm

Alliekit wrote:
Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Hexen wrote:
If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.


That would make it a fraction if its not the majority of the U.S

Also people seem to think its perfectly ok if men sleep with multiple women before settling down(if they ever do), so why should women be taught it's not ok for them to sleep with multiple men? I personally don't get the sleeping around /hook up culture stuff...but it would be a double standard to state its ok for males but not ok for females to indulge in it.

I certainly do not deny there are extremist feminists, just pointing out they don't represent the majority of women and plenty women disapprove of those more extreme views.

Also I see media criticize males and females, of course there should be plus sized male models, as for shelters for anyone facing abuse no reason those things cannot be pushed for even if all the media outlets don't approve. And if the relationship between men and women is completely destroyed how is it so many males and females still manage to co-exist?

Also could you site some evidence that most females who file false rape reports get a slap on the wrist, do you know in all these cases it was deemed it was for certain a false report...or did some just lack enough evidence to formally charge anyone?

It is not so much sleeping before marriage, it is the hookup culture of no strings attached. The idea of cheating just being okay, for either sex. "Completely" may be an over-statement, however gender relationships have suffered heavily in recent years. Divorce rates are sky high for example.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/opinion/j ... index.html


There is nothing wrong with having casual sex if you know the person. Why should there be strings attached if you are both happy and in agreement. It's not like it stops you from being happy later on.

There is a double standard when it comes to rape allegations but maybe we should make men more comfortable with coming forward rather than criminalising rape victims. In england a man cannot be legally raped and that is frankly atrocious.

At the same time when a rape is committed there is no way to assume innocence for both parties. It's very difficult to come forward as a rape victim without being made to feel like a liar although I respect being accused of rape is a God awful thing. But what is the answer?

While that is true in and of itself, it does create an issue for those wanting a happy relationship. Why look for a relationship, when you can just go f****? It isn't morally wrong, but that kind of life-style gets old and I feel is a hollow life-style compared to actually being in love. As I stated, we live in a hookup society and as such less people actually want a relationship and more and more people jsut windup lonely; men and women. Also, that is good; I am glad the law worked out. That still doesn't mean that women have not ruined mens reputations in the past and that they didn't simply get a slap on the wrist. Remember, it also depends on where you live. A few years ago, a man got arrested for how he was sitting in the subway in New York City, because he was "Man spreading" as in sitting with his legs spread. This is the type of ridiculous thing I am talking about.



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11 Jan 2017, 6:37 pm

Hexen wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Hexen wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Hexen wrote:
If you can find a woman that is not brainwashed by the media and taught to hate men, yes; otherwise no. Third wave feminism has destroyed the relationship between men and women. We now have women who feel that are liberated when they sleep with multiple men, because they want to be more like men that sleep with multiple women. Women are now taught not to have sympathy for men and worse yet they rarely have repercussions when it comes to things like filing a false rape charge. There are actual studies showing how women are the most unhappy as they've ever been. Before any of the radical feminists chime in, the first two waves of feminism were not just a good thing; they were necessary as well. This third wave is all about getting back at men and treating them no better than animals.


:roll: It is a fraction of women who hate males, usually that is among extremist feminists and people who sympathize with that ideology. Also the media as a whole is not 'anti-male' as far as I can tell, whilst some outlets may be biased that way. The relations between males and females are not completely destroyed.

Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything.

And who is it that is 'teaching' all the women to have no sympathy for guys, whoever it is they don't seem to be doing a very good job as I don't observe this being widespread in the real world. Also pretty sure if you were caught falsifying something like rape there would be repercussions, I thought false reporting was a crime they prosecute.

It is not a fraction. it is not the majority of the US, but it is not a fraction. Many women in liberal states, MD, NY, CA have extreme feminist ideologies. "Also maybe a lot of them sleep with multiple men because they want to, not because they're trying to be like anything. " Maybe, but women are taught it is okay. It is not a lifestyle that benefits either sex and has been proven so by studies. I say the media is anti-male, because males are criticized while females are celebrated. "All women are beautiful" and their is no equivalent for men. There are plus size women models, where are the plus size male models? Where are the shelters for abused men? This generation has become a hookup culture and it has destroyed the relationship between men and women. Many women who file false rape claims merely get a slap on the wrist.


That would make it a fraction if its not the majority of the U.S

Also people seem to think its perfectly ok if men sleep with multiple women before settling down(if they ever do), so why should women be taught it's not ok for them to sleep with multiple men? I personally don't get the sleeping around /hook up culture stuff...but it would be a double standard to state its ok for males but not ok for females to indulge in it.

I certainly do not deny there are extremist feminists, just pointing out they don't represent the majority of women and plenty women disapprove of those more extreme views.

Also I see media criticize males and females, of course there should be plus sized male models, as for shelters for anyone facing abuse no reason those things cannot be pushed for even if all the media outlets don't approve. And if the relationship between men and women is completely destroyed how is it so many males and females still manage to co-exist?

Also could you site some evidence that most females who file false rape reports get a slap on the wrist, do you know in all these cases it was deemed it was for certain a false report...or did some just lack enough evidence to formally charge anyone?

It is not so much sleeping before marriage, it is the hookup culture of no strings attached. The idea of cheating just being okay, for either sex. "Completely" may be an over-statement, however gender relationships have suffered heavily in recent years. Divorce rates are sky high for example.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/opinion/j ... index.html


There is nothing wrong with having casual sex if you know the person. Why should there be strings attached if you are both happy and in agreement. It's not like it stops you from being happy later on.

There is a double standard when it comes to rape allegations but maybe we should make men more comfortable with coming forward rather than criminalising rape victims. In england a man cannot be legally raped and that is frankly atrocious.

At the same time when a rape is committed there is no way to assume innocence for both parties. It's very difficult to come forward as a rape victim without being made to feel like a liar although I respect being accused of rape is a God awful thing. But what is the answer?

While that is true in and of itself, it does create an issue for those wanting a happy relationship. Why look for a relationship, when you can just go f****? It isn't morally wrong, but that kind of life-style gets old and I feel is a hollow life-style compared to actually being in love. As I stated, we live in a hookup society and as such less people actually want a relationship and more and more people jsut windup lonely; men and women. Also, that is good; I am glad the law worked out. That still doesn't mean that women have not ruined mens reputations in the past and that they didn't simply get a slap on the wrist. Remember, it also depends on where you live. A few years ago, a man got arrested for how he was sitting in the subway in New York City, because he was "Man spreading" as in sitting with his legs spread. This is the type of ridiculous thing I am talking about.


I don't think it's like good for immediate judgement. Alot of people have a little casual sex and then settle down.

I think maybe you misread about the law I mentioned as it is a terrible thing.

I never said that didn't happen but I just think there is no good way to solve the problem that benefits both sides :cry: