What do women look for in a male body?

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^ Actually, I can agree with that.

"What do women look for in a male body?"

Answer: Vital organs. ...at least I would hope they do.

Perhaps not chemistry, but online romance can easily become offline love once the 2 parties actually meet face to face.

I completely disagree with this statement. I was attracted to my husband for personality alone. I do not find him physically attractive in the least. But I was physically attracted and turned on by him based on the fact that I loved him for his (perceived at the time) personality. I made a conscious decision to love him even though I find him physically unattractive because I did not believe that looks mattered at all. If his personality had held up to my expectations, I probably would not regret my descision.

...but if you were dating someone (while you were dating the man who became your husband) with very similar personality (almost the same) yet he's much physically hotter than him ,and then you have to decide which one to pick then who would be?

And since you are admitting that you don't find your husband attractive in the least (and I noticed that you have used the present for of verb do and not the past) then why you don't go to him and tell him by face and post me here how was his reaction .

As for what you said that you are "physically attracted and turned on by him based on the fact that you loved him for his (perceived at the time) personality" while you find "find him physically attractive in the least" is something hard to believe, at least for me.

I would believe better if you said that you didn't find physically attractive at first and then later , after knowing him well, you started finding him physically attractive because of his nice personality.

If his personality had held up to my expectations, I probably would not regret my descision.

LePetitPrince: What women find physically attractive is signs of genetic fitness. There are PLENTY of other ways a man can convey this without having good looks. Such as musical talent or social suaveness, which DO result in a woman feeling physically attracted.

^^ the other way around won't be in your favor in you are an omega/beta male , letting girls to approach first will lead to the same natural selection rules that are already applied.

Let's face the truth guys , we are under the mercy of the girls' choice , this is a basic nature and there's no way to change it unless inf your want to change your society into an arrangedmarriage-based society or to a ret*d masculine dominated society like the fanatic Islamic societies and treat women as a furniture.

As long that you live in a free society where dating is free then you'll still be under the mercy of serial monogamy rules==> the mercy of women's choice.

In serial monogamy system , guys ask out girls , the girl keeps rejecting guys till she is asked by the most 'suitable' guy.

So serial monogamy rules are very similar to the natural polygamy rules (not the islamic polygamy!): Females are the main players of the natural selection --> females are the ones who pick the males that most "fit" them (most fit them = that can provide best genes and security).

Nagging, whining , and revolutions will solve nothing ......if you are naturally an omega/beta guy then the best thing you can do is improving yourself , by improving yourself you became a better competitor and you increase somehow your chances to get a girl.


For a better help ,note that there are basically FOUR types of Alpha males in the current human society:

-The Knight (Strength): These are basically the pure natural alphas , the men with high level of Testosterone , the strong, tall , determinant , confident , masculine and handsome men. If you are not already one of those , it will be almost impossible to become one. A strong sport man who can achieve big wins can becomes a King/Knight (ie: the best footballers).This type of alpha might fade with age or can transform to the King type


-The King (Wealth/Social Power): The Kings are the successful men who can turn their success into great wealth and social power, this type of Alpha requires also some basic natural alpha traits found in the Knight-type like confidence and determination (ie.CEOs, great businessmen...etc) ...good physical traits might help too , it also requires mainly traits such as leadership, common sense, courage and good social skills. It is not impossible for Aspies to be one of those but keep in mind that without good-developed natural skills such as social skills and leadership that won't be easy at all.


-The Magician (High Intelligence): Naturally,this is the least attractive Alpha type to most females but they are alphas nonetheless and can attract 10% of females at least. The Magicians are the men who can achieve great things using their high intelligence ,education , great knowledge or great wisdom , the requirement for this type is one : High IQ/Intelligence or at least 1 useful savant skill(rare cases). The Magician doesn't need to be physically strong, confident or leader or any of that sort ....he just needs to be very smart in his field he works in. A Magician who can turns his achievements to success and wealth can becomes a Magician-King (ie. Bill Gates). Aspies with high intelligence should choose this path to Alphahood but if you don't naturally have a very high IQ (above 130)/intelligence or at least 1 useful savant skill this would be almost impossible.

(Even a physically handicapped very genius man such as Steven hawking can be considered as a Magician alpha because his natural high intelligence compensates all the other bad genes ..but of course this case is very very exceptional.)


- The Bard (Talent/Fame): The Bards are the people who get fame through their high talents ie: good singers, cool hardrockers,Hollywood actors, good musicians, excellent painters...

The Bards are the MOST attractive Alpha-type to females nowadays , they can harvest thousands of females' hearts.
Since fame brings wealth and since fame requires sometimes attractive looks then Bards are usually in combo forms mostly as Bard/King or sometimes in Bard/King/Knight , Bard/King/Magician exist but are rare cases (ie. like the savant pianist kids that can even compete adult pianists....will be Bard/King/Magician when they become adults).
Aspie can becomes a bard ....but of course he needs to have great talents.


There are the same types of alphas among females ....but here we are talking about competition between males which is much rougher than the competition between females (competition between females is caused by the artificial monogamous marriage system).

But Ive said it before and I'll say it again: the physical trait in men that women admire MOST is height.

Interesting to ponder. This would not happen to me because I am very loyal to the one that I love and would not be the least bit interested in a more attractive man. Perhaps if I had gotten to know them both at the same time and they both liked me and had similar personalities, I would most likely go for the attractive one.

Indeed. I have told him. He's not happy about it.

Notice the tenses. I was attracted to him because of the personality that I percieved at the time. I can admit that I never was attracted to his looks but I was attracted to his personality. I am currently not attracted to him at all because his personality has changed or perhaps I have just gotten to know him better.

Exactly. And then it reverted.

I declare my victory in this argument, you can't say anymore that personality is far more important than looks.

How's that exactly? You said they both had a good personality. So therefore if I've got the basics covered, why wouldn't I want a cherry on top? That doesn't mean the cherry is the most important part.

You win nothing.

Besides, I've already admitted that my putting personality so far ahead of looks was faulty. My argument with you is only to challenge your claim that there is no chemistry possible when looks are not present.

But Ive said it before and I'll say it again: the physical trait in men that women admire MOST is height.