Do you think healthcare is a right?
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I hate how they give juice to kids and then tell them it's healthy. Even worse is giving muesli bars to kids as a "health food". A chocolate bar would be about as healthy.
in your opinion, does down under have much of an obesity problem similar to amuuurica?
Very much so. In Australia obese people of all ages are a common site. It has become normalised.
My grandmother showed me some slides from the 1980s. The slides depicted weddings and other gatherings. Dozens of different people appeared in the slides and not a single one of them was overweight.
That shows that obesity is not normal. It used to be a rare occurrence, not something that effects about half the population.
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In the United States, health care is not a right. As far as rights go, a person has the right to seek health care, meaning they can't legally be blocked from doing so in most instances (but it does happen), however providers and drug companies can refuse to provide care in many, but not all instances.
I do believe, however, that everyone should have access to affordable health care, and the U.S. should have universal healthcare, as many other developed nations do.
There are two reasons that we don't.
1. Conservatives. Half of whom have some valid concerns over socializing health care, and half of whom just don't like the idea of people who didn't work as hard as they do getting something for free.
2. Modern American politicians are not capable of implementing such a system.
We have no great leaders these days who can implement monumental reform and see it through successfully. Those died with the 20th century. Everything becomes a bureaucratic nightmare that fails or falls short. And then there is the issue of transitioning. The cost of medical care would have to be subjected to price caps. Providers often worry that compensation won't cover their cost of business and the insurance industry will lose money and fight the system tooth and nail. They will cause pain if they have to. There is a real danger that the American health care system will collapse if the transition isn't done slowly enough.
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Recommended reading here and also here.
His full report just came out... here and here's the money quote:
78. Health care is, in fact, a human right. The civil and political rights of the middle class and the poor are fundamentally undermined if they are unable to function effectively, which includes working, because of a lack of the access to health care that every human being needs. The Affordable Care Act was a good start, although it was limited and flawed from the outset. Undermining it by stealth is not just inhumane and a violation of human rights, but an economically and socially destructive policy aimed at the poor and the middle class.
So their solution to poor people getting sick is for the poor people to work themselves through college on minimum wage, while suffering from an untreated disease and then compete in the highly competitive job market against healthy people until they either land a job with a health plan or get a job that pays enough to buy health insurance?
How the heck do they expect sick people to do all that?
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Recommended reading here and also here.
His full report just came out... here and here's the money quote:
78. Health care is, in fact, a human right. The civil and political rights of the middle class and the poor are fundamentally undermined if they are unable to function effectively, which includes working, because of a lack of the access to health care that every human being needs. The Affordable Care Act was a good start, although it was limited and flawed from the outset. Undermining it by stealth is not just inhumane and a violation of human rights, but an economically and socially destructive policy aimed at the poor and the middle class.
So their solution to poor people getting sick is for the poor people to work themselves through college on minimum wage, while suffering from an untreated disease and then compete in the highly competitive job market against healthy people until they either land a job with a health plan or get a job that pays enough to buy health insurance?
How the heck do they expect sick people to do all that?
Colleges typically require students have health insurance. The ACA has extended government insurance, often called medicaid, to cover not just disabled individuals, but also low income individuals. Senior citizens are also often eligible for a government subsidized insurance called medicare. The ACA introduced subsidized insurance for middle income individuals called "market place plans" however these plans aren't significantly less than non subsidized plans. There are people though, who are not quite impoverished, make too much for a subsidized plan, can't afford a private plan, and don't have health care through their employer, and they are effectively screwed. People do die in the U.S. due to lack of access to health care.
Even with insurance, healthcare fees in the U.S. can be astronomical because the market facilitates price gouging.
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Very low income individuals.
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Recommended reading here and also here.
His full report just came out... here and here's the money quote:
78. Health care is, in fact, a human right. The civil and political rights of the middle class and the poor are fundamentally undermined if they are unable to function effectively, which includes working, because of a lack of the access to health care that every human being needs. The Affordable Care Act was a good start, although it was limited and flawed from the outset. Undermining it by stealth is not just inhumane and a violation of human rights, but an economically and socially destructive policy aimed at the poor and the middle class.
So their solution to poor people getting sick is for the poor people to work themselves through college on minimum wage, while suffering from an untreated disease and then compete in the highly competitive job market against healthy people until they either land a job with a health plan or get a job that pays enough to buy health insurance?
How the heck do they expect sick people to do all that?
They want and expect sick people to die.
It’s survival of the fittest to conservatives. Only the middle class should live.
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The Declaration of Independence in the United States as far as the Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is entirely up to 'We the People' as far as the Government we Elect and Put into Office. If We the People Decide that Privately Provided Health Insurance for Pay is no longer Affordable; We the People Will Vote someone in like Bernie Sanders and a Senate and House of Representatives that and who will actually get the Job Done and get a Government Funded Plan (Medicare) for all that actually Works Efficiently already and Better than Privately Owned Plans Like Aetna into the Hands of the General Populace for at least a Reasonable Price like Free, if Possible, and if enough Taxes are Generated to Pay for it.
Truly that's gonna be hard to do, even if everyone gets behind it, considering that Previous Republican Administrations
have Squandered Tax Payer Funding on Welfare to Corporate Interests; and Bail Outs from Similar Republican Administration Screw-ups; and yes even unwarranted Wars for the Support of Military Industrial Contractors
to Rebuild Countries torn down for Profit to Rebuild, for stuff like Weapons of Mass Destruction that were
truly no cause for worry at all, in any substantial rational way now or back then.
It's True all the Hand-outs by Republican Administrations have padded my bank accounts big. And it's also
True, for those who want to vote against their self; their own potential failures in Life from Poor Health and
out of reach Health Care; they will do that if they so will, too.
But considering it's almost impossible to Advance over the Basement Level of Maslow's Pyramid of Human
Success without Good Health and Health Care that works too, it doesn't make a whole lot of Sense to keep
a Populace at the Lowest Level so far away from the Capstone of Self-ActuaIization and the top of that too;
the all Seeing eye of Giving and Sharing Agape Loving ways with the Rest of Existence too, unless ya wanna
Shoot Yourself in the Foot and stay at Basement Level Existence; unless eventually you get a Big Inheritance from
Your Parents, Win the Lottery, or are as Fortunate as I was to have a nice Golden Handcuff Job with the Federal
Government and get a Guaranteed Pension and the Best Health Care Benefits there are for the rest of your
Life like the Folks who hold Political Office at the Federal Level too.
In other words, I would Love to see you with the same Current Government Sponsored Rights that my wife
and I enjoy, now. But my Vote and the Vote of others who have reached that ascendent transcendent Loving way
of Life Giving and Sharing with all others is not nearly enough; if you as the rest of We the People don't get
out and vote yourself the Relative Free Will and Government Sponsored Right to Potential Free Health Care now.
And it's true that will only make me richer still, for I do pay around 10K Dollars for my Cadillac Health Care Plan
even with the Government Picking up the rest of the 60 Percent or so Tab of all the Dollar Bills Required.
But Look at it this way, for all those folks who make 100K Dollars a Year and do Currently Pay close to 30K Dollars
for their Health Care Coverage as far as Premiums escalate now; just imagine what a family like that will do with
the Economic Stimulus Package of 30K Dollars a Year to improve the overall Quality of the Life of their Family.
Seriously, if the Republicans Administrations are going to Dole out as many Welfare Hand Outs to Big Business
in the top 1 to 10 Percent of the Country; makes a whole lot more sense to do it for the Majority of We the People;
but only if We the People can get ourselves out of the Garbage of the Deceit of Decades of Poor Money Management
for the Money we do contribute to Federal Taxes now; and vote someone in who actually works for our Entire Life Span
Needs; freeing us up to actually literally and metaphorically do our own Relative Free Will Version of Heaven now.
I don't Pay any Federal Taxes and in Part I have both Bush and Trump to thank for that now.
Thing is, I didn't need the money and still don't now.
And truly as far as actual needs go; neither do the folks at the top, who continue to Build
Bigger and Better Automated Machines to take your jobs away for a Better Capitalist Dream of Building
even Bigger Mansions and buying Bigger Yachts to Hold Garden Parties that never get out into a Full Ocean of Fun;
If they even get the time before they die in 80 Hours a Week Jobs on a Treadmill to nowhere but nowhere now that's
truly fun as Love goes and comes when truly real.
Meanwhile, I enjoy Heaven always now for I paid attention to all the Open Doors both Given and Taken and still get in Heaven now; Yes, the Ultimate Declaration of Independence Dream; Total Happiness Achieved in Just one lifetime now just now; Meanwhile, 'Other Folks' were/are just chasing money forgetting what Happiness even is as Free Love now.
I'm rich enough for that (Heaven on Earth) and there ain't nothing that beats it; Yep, the Cadillac Health Plan Works, too. And My Wife who is Permanently Disabled with a Complex Partial Seizure Epilepsy condition, just took advantage of her Medicare Insurance Plan for both Part B and Part A from an Accidental Burn associated with Seizures while Cooking.
We've been through the Headaches of Federal Retiree Aetna Insurance for Years now; so inefficient where I had to personally correct their Mistakes, time and time again; hours out of my Free Play of life to do the Job they were too inefficient to do without Fail.
The Burn Bill was over 100K. Medicare paid for virtually all of it except for a Few Hundred Dollars, with zero problems
at all. Aetna couldn't even do One Percent of the Bill without getting even More Paper Work from us recently verifying
she even got accidentally injured after they paid tiny parts off Secondary Coverage over the last Few months.
Medicare is the true Cadillac Insurance, even at 80 percent Coverage as their Contracted Amounts are Pennies on the Dollar of the Total Medical Bill, still. But you won't understand that fully until you try both Government and Privately Owned Insurance Companies. Surveys of People who have tried both Prove that Government does the best Job, even in the eyes of We the People who have actually lived and done life long enough to find out what works and what doesn't work now.
If Trump Proves anything now at least for the way he does business his private way of doing it, basically stinks.
I don't wanna have to spend my life correcting the mistakes of others like I did at Work and School; Sure, I'd rather enjoy
Medicare in Heaven now too; But True, too, you will or will not eventually Pay for the Government that we the People Vote for next. Choose wisely or Pay the Price. Oh, all the Free Stuff Feels so good; ironically, mostly from the Republican Administrations and all the Welfare Benefits they continue to pay out in Big Fat Wallets like mine. I don't
carry cash though; too much of an inconvenience; the Wife takes care of that too; in fact, she says
I don't do a good enough Job of Housework so she insists on doing it all. In fact, I do whatever
I want in terms of 'yes dear' too you are welcome to do it too; Yes, there are two kinds of
intelligence; Books Smarts and heART smARTS.
I do both
and always
win now; Works for me;
You'll do what works for you or not.
Anyway, when I say you that means anyone.
Personally, I Love Love which means I Hope you
Get Free Stuff too and Win if you Can and Will Do Agape Love too.
Oh by A Way, Real Love Life is never a competition against anyone but you;
but it does Feel Good to Hold Hands aLong YouR way, at least to me, anyway that Happens..
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Why not?
Picture someone dying of a heart attack while we caaaaaaaaaaaaalmly philosophize about the intricacies of this topic. Isn't it a beautiful image?
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I was hoping that Obamacare was going to make healthcare cheaper. That's what was supposed to happen. I need to pay for my own individual health care for me and my family since I don't work for the government, a large corp or non-profit, etc. and we're not on any sort of public assistance.
Instead what happened is my healthcare company decided to cancel all individual health insurance policies including mine in the state I live since the amount of insurance premiums taken in was far less than the amount of money they paid out in claims after Obamacare. It was unsustainable.
Now, with Obamacare, I pay $20,0000+ in insurance premiums annually and it's financially devastating to me.
I don't know if the solution is that everyone pay $20,000+ annually for their insurance?
I believe Obamacare was designed to fail in the sense that it wasn't meant to improve the current health insurance model. It was meant to drive every U.S. citizen (except congress who exempted itself from Obamacare) to medical assistance "Medicaid" with the end result being a soft universal health care and dependence on the government.