Emotionalists Vs Rationalists

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Aren't well a little bit of an emotionalist sometimes?

I was actually coming from a different angle...

I am a hard core atheist...
We are simply the result of a cosmic accident...
We have evolved from simple organisms...
Some organisms which "complied" through self replicating and became more complex/effective through mutation and natural selection, eventually developed sentience, cultures, philosophies...

It is axiomatic to me that what drives us in all aspects of our existence is simply the result of the evolutionary process...
Hence my problem with the concept of freedom of choice...

With the development of the neocortex came the ability to transcend some aspects of our earlier evolutionary development...

Using the Triune brain theory as a guide, emotional induction is largely the domain of the reptilian and mammalian brain.

In a nutshell, those who are dominated by emotionalism over rationalism have greater "allegiance" to the reptilian and mammalian brain...
Those who are more rational have a greater natural connectivity with the neocortex...

Interestingly, as a group, those on the autistic spectrum have a greater than average intellectual intelligence...

Conversely, those on the spectrum tend to have a lesser emotional quotient...
Hence the manifestation of our greater emotional dysfunction...

Clear as mud?



Total agreement...
Cultural influences...
Childhood conditioning...

I am one of the supposedly rare "emotional" aspies.

I get confused because when I used to take those trendy AQ/EQ tests I'd get in the teens with AQ and in the fifties with EQ. I don't know if those tests were just that goofy and unscientific or whether it's a PDD-NOS thing, ie. that it's a rather jagged overlap with Asperger's and other spectrum conditions. It seemed like most other people's scores were as expected to so I can't say for certain one way or the other.

I have met people who live their "Kardashian" lives...
Appalled may be too strong a word...
Let me just say I am glad I am not one of them...

But...
I personally can't see a major downside in embracing greater intellectual development if one has committed to a single lifestyle...
This is in keeping with my inherent autism...
We have been described as "little Vulcans" due to our tendancy towards a more logical orientation...

Apart from the creativity/emotionalism connection, the embracing of emotionalism/reptilian/mammalian-brain at times seem to be useful in the domain of interpersonal relationships, particularly in a significant other context...

Interestingly, the reptilian brain is responsible for the animalistic nature of sexual activity, and without this instinctual component to our physiological/psychological make-up, the human species wouldn't have progressed/existed pre-civilisation...
Evolution is a cold and pragmatic "entity"...



Which brings me to what I alluded to in my first post:
Subjectively speaking, there is a definite link between creativity and emotional indulgence...
And one way I unleash the inner reptile is through the ingesting of caffeine...
I have been told that caffeine is the drug of choice by graphic artist...
I can see where "they" are coming from...
It seems to me to be self evident that "drugs", even something as mild as caffeine, can switch a rational individual into an emotionalist...well at least, to some degree...

However...:
You don't have to be an emotionalist to be creative, imo, but it can/does help in some situations at least...

Personally I don't see you as rare...
Based on a number of polls on this web site I have seen, there is a ratio of about 1:3 emotionalists in this autistic community, at least...
This is a significant amount, imo...
I attribute this to three main factors:
1. A youthful world view (jugendliche Weltanschauung)...
2. Social/cultural childhood indoctrination
3. An inordinate need for personal meaning...

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by your figuring, how does that ratio compare with NTs?

Well, consider the neurotypical social protocols which obsess about the production of progeny, pop culture lovey dovey love songs, the "When Harry met Sally" type movies, the embracing of emotionalistic life philosophies (religious/spiritual)...

And look at the memes around us...
-You are not happy unless you are happy <sic>
-"Living the dream"...
-"A true success story"...
These are primarily driven by emotion based drives...
I.E. The satiation of the reptilian brain...

NTs are obsessed with their emotional needs and to a large extent this is due to memes but more fundamentally, their neurotypical make-up is geared to embrace the reptilian and mammalian brains because this a more effective means of procreation than a more intellectual orientated mindset...

Interestingly it has been identified that those with less IQ (as a tendency) produce more offspring...

To finally answer your question...sort of...:
Based on simple observation and casual research, most NTs base their decisions/life-direction on emotional considerations rather than the practical/intellectual...imo
At a guesstimate I would hazard a guess that possibly on reflection...
Don't quote me but lets say 8 out of 10 NTs embrace emotionalism...

Granted, this is hardly a definitive argument...
I might go so far as to say it is rather comical or a caricature of a logical assessment...
Call it simply a loose opinion...

thank you for your cognating on that subject I am guessing that a certain amount of emotion is a necessary catalyst for fully informed decision making. but it could be one of those things where "a little bit goes a long way." any excess I am sure is what powers my 1]left wing politics, and 2] Stendahl's Syndrome.

Interesting "WP" topic, per 'Emotionalists Verses Rationalists' and
Yes, surely Humans are born with propensities that depending on
Environment may put one more on Simon Baron Cohen's Art of Empathy
Verses Systemizing Science Spectrum per ways of Autism Quotient Intelligence
in Mechanical Cognition of Systemizing one's external environment and often losing
contact to/with the much larger Elephant of Life that is the overall Existential intelligence
within of Physical and Emotional intelligence that as an overall 'trinity' of Intelligences makes
folks and folks who connect to other folks comfortable and at ease in their own skin where most
of life is one of basic animal homeostasis; and yes, this is more the avenue of the reptile and limbic
brains; one for the drive for sex and fight or flight response; and the other more for the warm and fuzzy
bio-neuro-hormonal-chemical reactions that flow from head to toe and as science; yes, systemizing Science
as now through repeatable observations that are confirmed in human behavior; movement therapy also know
as dance as long as humans and other animals have been around in free flow style, regulates emotions in real
time now through bio-feed back of bio-neuro-hormonal-chemical reactions from head to toe too. Of course
no one has to go to school or read a book or take a test to do this in terms of words; yes, a Free Flow Movement
otherwise; yes, other wise felt and sensed by what the other animals do without an addiction to
worshipping abstract constructs as reality also; and yes, other wise known as words;
yes, too, as Nike loves to say and tell you to do; they just do it, they (other animals)
including humans dance life and regulate their mammalian emotions; and yes, the
reptilian fight or flight response per ways of the amygdala too.
i am both a Scientist and and Artist and now and
then I come back here in 'Reason Land', moreover as to be
expected of course by overall AQ Scan results of the Folks who
inhabit the 'Wrong Planet' to be a place to exercise one's mechanical
cognition for that is how the conversation flows still; mostly, on the Wrong Planet
now. But most ironically too, per yes, Systemizing Science minds and yes, ironically
too; Science shows that most all rational making decisions are based on Emotions first
and of course this makes sense as our subconscious minds are huge like an Elephant now
and what we name as our conscious (rider) mind where some folks mostly live in word think;
and other folks are more in tune and refined with their feelings and senses that move beyond
words and are at essence our oldest brains at core; yes, as general common sense language 'riders'
get stuck in their head as a result too of what they actually do in terms of use it or lose it in all ways
of life skills in crystalized and or fluid intelligence in what we come to feel and sense and know as what
we name knowledge. Yes; there is word knowledge but the oldest and most important knowledges of basic
animal survival is emotional and physical and yes overall existential intelligences that requires no abstract
constructs named words that are produced as a result of recorded and collected intelligence starting
with the Painted Picture Stories starting in Caves and ending up as what are often cherished as
idols of words and what we've learned before and created too, together, to help to bring tools
for Greater Creature Comforts that have actually become, relatively speaking, a part
of our human bodies too like a smart phone attached to our hands and the rest of
'Cultural
Clothes'.

Yes, all of this is a real problem; for while we might disparage our fellow animals
(humans) as inferior for they lack written words and complex tools and they usually
are not looking down mesmerized into a 4 to 5.8 inch screen that is
now crammed in a small glass box if one can afford a Grand for
the newest iPhone X or less; is yes, the Scientific Fact that
the other animals (humans) are exercising their physical
and emotional and overall existential innate
instinctual and intuitive intelligences
of dance and they are 'really living' when no longer
escaping predator and capturing prey for the day now
with satiated stomaches all peaceful and easy in animal
homeostasis; also, and yes; other wise, understood as the simple
nirvana and bliss and heaven within of letting go of all worries in
the moment that is now ; yes, Bio-Neuro-Hormonal-Chemical Reactions still
out of whack from head toe (worries). Here's the real blessing of not having such
a Big Neo-Cortical Brain; one does not get lost in the abstract word constructs now
of reviewing the past in words and attempting to predict the future in words so much
and one dances now; let's go when not escaping predator or capturing prey or other wise
foraging for the food of the day and guess what; they just live. Seriously; How many humans
do you know that and who have enough physical and emotional and existential intelligence overall
who can on the drop of a dime or a dollar or mortgage or car loan and yes an alarm clock and a calendar
full of must dos and deadlines and demands from others including what all the advertisements and school
books and work related regulations and guidelines say you must do to just to make it from day to day. Again,
the issue is use it or lose it for yes; there is the intelligence of Nirvana and Bliss too as the Cat enjoys
Hugging the warm sands of the mid-day sun on a Cold Winter day or the moist cool humid grass
of the night on a Hot Summer's Night; As Neil deGrasse Tyson as overall Rock Star of
Astro-Physics told Katy Perry who is a Pop Star of Emotional Intelligence in
expressing the Huge Inner UniVerse of Being Human per that Camel of
Subconscious Mind that mostly rhymes so far out of reason and
is the Foundation and Motivation still for all of what we name
as human logic in driving Force of even putting
a Hamburger together to eat at the
Dinner Table; Yes, Neil said, basically;
While Science can do a pretty Good Job of
Measuring the Forces of the Universe on the outside;
the most complicated Force of all IS the Inner Universe
of Human being; well, Science can do a good talk but to master
the Inner Universe of Human being is only what the Art of actually
Doing life can bring in ways of Bio-Feed back of what feels and senses
to work in a way that does allow one to let go of all the worries of life and
move on to Coloring Life with Joy more than empty shells of words that go round
and round in a circle (in the Neo-Cortex) and never really say much of anything important
in feelings and
senses
of bliss
and nirvana real out of 'head'
now that is the colors beyond
infinity as term of Love. In other
words; all the words in the imagination
and creativity of Human will never fully paint
a picture of Heaven real when experienced within
as a Pure Force of Love (whatever that means if
you have never actually experienced this Abstract
contract Construct as Words too in terms of Physical
and Emotional and overall Existential Intelligences Now)

Yet; folks; now;
try to paint that
picture and bring a spArk
here and now to some folks
who have developed the intelligence of more than he in heart.

I spent Decades in a World Stuck mostly in my head in Mechanical Cognition. Through 19 Years of School and
Three Degrees in Tandem with 33 Years of Work; 25 of that in the usually rigid guidelines and rules of Government Work
until the end of that with so-called "Autism Spectrum Burn-out"; which is just another common sense term for
what happens to the Mind and Body when the fight and flight response of the amygdala is not well regulated
along with all the other emotions of the limbic system too that takes general moving around most; and
in other words dance that is no words at all unless one does it on a keyboard with their fingers in
flow to bring a meditative state of mind with dancing fingers too. By the end of all of that
I scored a 44 to 45 on the AQ Test and in the Mid 50's, on the Emotional Intelligence
Test as well. I was also assessed with an INTJ Personality too. I was very unhappy
and almost devoid of emotional response with very poor cognitive executive
functioning as of course, emotional regulation and sensory integration
is the driving Force behind Focus and Short Term Working Memory.
I had no idea about that then for one is not usually taught that in School or
Work in Book Learning ways of doing stuff. In Fact, Even Physical Education is
no longer a Requisite in many High Schools after Ninth Grade and more rarely do children
play free roam outside neighborhood homes now and smaller and smaller hand held screens.
Anyway; i wanted to live; really live like i did when i was five years old before i went to school.
So, i let it all go and i danced wherever my body wanted to go. And now the Truth is; not only am i
happier than i could even imagine happy to be, before. Empirically measurable as such; i am more intelligent
now in ways that cannot even be measured for what i am and what i do is so far out of text books of 'fore, now.
Oh yeah, and i moved from an AQ Score of 44 to 45 to an 11; and from the Mid 50's on the Emotional
IQ Test to the 90's; and yes too, from an INTJ Personality to an ENFP Personality in a matter of months
after i finally figured this 'stuff' out within me, back in July of 2013, when i escaped the "Wrong Planet"
and healed myself of 19 Medical Disorders as the Professionals who were treating me were baffled in how i
suddenly did that through epigenetics and neuroplasticity as they called it a miracle and i called it Existential
and Physical and Emotional Intelligence realized again like a frigging 5 year old re-establishing their Humanity after being in A Prison of Culture for 48 or so years (other wise known as 'The Matrix') and became part and a very influential part of the day to day life of the 'Real World' of Humanity; overall, again. But the thing is; i keep my distance from 'the' 'machine' (matrix) and other wise THRIVE NOW.

Look Within; Feel, Sense, Dance Life. Unless one 'thinks' that life is not worth being Happy which most ironically
is often what folks are thinking right now and moreover with so-called First World Problems as self-fulfilling empty.

In short and long; i am 33.33 Percent Science and 66.66 Art but it's true looking at those numbers just make me feel good.

SMiLES
LiFE BE
iN iT..

To be clear; to each iS own; this may
not work for everyone but the case study
evidence as documented online for the last
2596 Days makes it more than clear it works for me..

Balance; life is all about a Balance of Art and Science;
neglect either and fAil; as far as i for one can and will see now..

^^^ your paragraphs are shaped like a work of art

Hi, Aunt Blabby; the Reciprocal Social Communication
is much appreciated. Hehe, you make me feel like i am alive; even here..

And yes; I've got some practice in writing in this way of art in terms
of 5.5 Million Words now in a little over 52 months of doing that in what
i've personally titled and named as 7 Bibles per world play as metaphor of course.

As yes; each titled 'Bible' is the equivalent of the actual size of the Old King James
Version Bible as per Verse of that Particular Bible i've done John 14:12 at least Seven times over.

Hehe; at least one person mocked me here as the 7 Thousand Word man that was somewhat
of an exaggeration then but not really any more as i am currently writing a "Facebook Profile
Pic Bible 2018" Arising now to close to 800K total words in the last 7 months; 30K Words per
Week Average now in the Description Areas of Profile Pics on Face Book of what is now on my
Words Press Site and 4 other Public Blog Sites over 2500 Profile Pics along now too with over 130K
Fully illustrated photos and thousands of You Tube Music Videos that accompany all 5.5 Million
Words of the Grand Parent of the 6 other Titled Bibles named, "SonG oF mY SoUL", in a way
inspired by Whitman's "Song of Myself" as he helped bring back the original Eons way of
Oral Tradition/Writing Free Verse Poetry in Meditative Free Flow Dance of Fingers now
only possible with a Digital Keyboard attached to a screen; as it's also true Jack
Kerouac once Taped Type Written Pages together to stay in the flow years
ago too; i take advantage of the tools; i master the
tools and refuse to be mastered by any machine;
metal or human my friend; True, you are one
of the LoVELiGHTs of this place for sure;
And one that i've surely always remembered
and never forgotten for as science shows emotions
are memories and memories are emotions and it is the folks
who touch our hearts in spirit of real BaLanCinG ForCE MiND
And Body SoUL who we remember the most 'till the last bLink
of Life for
those who
are lucky
enough to both
give and receive Love
the real Essence Force of Life mY FrienD NoW;
other than that MicroSoft Word says to actually
publish what i do in print would take around 44,000
Pages per those 5.5 Million Words not counting the 130K
or so photos with the impossibility of incorporating Shares
of Music i've heard all though my lifetime through the Tool of
YouTube now. Again, my FRiEnD as yes; there is a Fred literally in
FRiEnD too; Technology is Great as long as we are the Masters of the Machines
now reFuSinG
to Lose
the
Basic
Essence
of LoVELiGHT LiFENoW..
hehe.. i might have gone a little
too far out of the box on this one;
hAha; i'll stop before the NeuroDiverse 'tribal powers'
that be ban me again for being ironicAlly different..

I'm an emotional rationalist: I get very emotional when people don't do rational things.

"To thine own self be true..."

Being self aware of your inner psychological workings is often a burden (to me at least)...
If someone knows how to switch of that pesky inner reptilian contribution, could they let me?
A frontal lobotomy perhaps?

A very interesting presentation and consolidation of ideas...Kudos...
But as you say, to each their own...
"There are many paths to the top of the mountain..."
And: "To thine own self be true..."

Thanks, Pepe, for the kind words in reciprocation
here and thanks for presenting this interesting topic of
"Emotionalists Verse Rationalists" on the Wrong Planet and
"To thine own self be true", is surely a great tune to find in life
but as Maslow Says; often, self actualization comes later in life in fulfilling
a Greater Variety of Intelligences; some of which current Standard IQ Measures
don't even touch; namely, physical, emotional, and existential intelligences other
than the brief years the students in Grade School through High School spend in Physical
Education, often ending by the 9th Grade, these days. After Close to 33 years of Work mixed
in Tandem with 19 Years of School, ultimately leading to Three College Degrees, even in the
Arts and Sciences of Social Sciences Interdisciplinary, Anthroplogy, and Health Science as those
First Two Degrees earned as Two Bachelor's of Arts Degrees and the Health Degree as a Bachelor's
of Science Degree with some Graduate School after that when i finally fell to what folks name
as Autism Spectrum Burn-out, at the end of that Work and School Career; i came to the
realization i had a whole lot more to learn that i had no clue about as far as additional
Physical, Emotional, and Existential Intelligences. After 33 Months without effective
use of eyes and ears and a whole lot of hours for introspection and when i finally
could accommodate the eye pain to start writing on this website For 33 Months
until i recovered enough to enjoy life again; that became the second tier
of my life education in autodidact way, to finally achieve self-actualization
in what you say here as fully being true to thine self no matter what anyone
else said or did about who i became next. Smiles, it wasn't easy but it was all worth
it and it is true it takes Diversity to make any Group of Social Animals Work and particularly
Humans as we have in just one lifetime, overall, become functionally disabled in many ways per
the General Population that has no label of disorder except for, "it ain't working out''; True though;
Born without the ability to speak until age 4 with this Autism Spectrum thingie and the gift and curse
of Bi-Polar Disorder, i am just another Canary in a Coal mine who figured how to get out and about for
Free. True; if can do it, i imagine other folks will find a way to do it too; if they never give up; true that
is key
no matter
what; never give up.
And one day just do it,
no matter who complains
about who one is now; again, it works for me.
Best of wishes to you to be true to yourself too in all the self actualizing ways that come next..