slavery in america-the connection with autism speaks+quacks

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All the more reason to be suspicious.

Autism Speaks has deep pockets and Influence in ithe US, as well as all other successful charitable organizations, corporations, and the government. Money and influence is what makes things happen in a country that has a free market capitalistic economy, such as the US. Non-profit organizations with deep pockets and influence, are currently not the concern of many Americans; the one's that are making excessive profits are the current concern.

If Autism Speaks or the other organizations currently involved in the HP project had little influence or financial means, chances are a project this large, like this would never happen to benefit autistic people. This is the purpose that Autism Speaks and other large organizations with deep pockets and influence serve. The other smaller organizations serve a purpose that is just as important, but not the same.

Like autism speaks with its seeming need to prosecute teenagers that make parodies of it or the high wages of its leaders. Whether it is the concern of americans or not isn't a concern. The issue is whether it actually matters, and it does. It has influence indeed, and has shown that it doesn't deserve it.

Your talking about Autism Speak's place in the world does not justify its existence or practices, and no amount of arguing about its power will. What matters is whether it is doing wrong, and it has. I am sure it does, and people who says it doesn't are using suspect arguments, like this one.

No need for exagerration, a cease and desist letter to one individual, has nothing to do with prosecution. And, there is no proof that it was unwarranted. Considering it was a teenager, politically incorrect PR mistake, but no evidence of wrong doing. If you can find people to run the organization at a lower rates of pay, at the same level of proficiency, it would be a valuable suggestion to the organization; unless one has been involved in running a multi-million dollar charitable organization, they couldn't possibly understand the complexities, education, experience, knowledge, influence, required for success and to fulfill the expectations required of the position. The organization is a multi-faceted one that spans coverage in the entire US, and has international outreach.

The folks in the organization are getting paid the same levels of pay per similiar sized organizations per the guidestar watchdog group that monitors charities. And the money spent on salaries meet legal requirements, Better Business Bureau standards, and the standards of watchgroup organizations. One might not like the idea that executives in multi-million dollar charitable organizations get paid 6 digit salaries, but it is the going rate that is required to fill the positions with individuals that are capable of producing the results that are required.

Not liking a mission of an organization and suggesting it is doing something wrong are two different things. If they were not complying with appropriate guidelines, they would onot likely receive a BBB approval, or watchdog group organizations approval.

These organizations professionalyl monitor non-profit organizations; if there is something significantly wrong that the organization is doing, they are the most likely sources that will determine that there are problems with the organization.

When folks in the US donate to an organization, if they are suspicious of it, these are the resources they check, not unfounded sources.

That to one individual bit is unncessary flim flam. Furthermore a cease and desist is a legal threat. That sounds very much like it has everything to do with prosecution. They


This is cowardly. You are justifying legal action, a threat from a charity, against a parody site made by an autistic by saying there is no evidence. There is plenty of evidence to say the person was harmless. The cease and desist was a threat made out of paranoia.

Rubbish. It was an attack on a vulnerable person by a strong organisation.

Rubbish. Oxfam dwarfs Autism Speaks. However its Chief Executive, Barbara Stocking, was paid £75,000. Now depending on the exchange rate that's well below the paying rate of Autism Speaks when talking about size, whose salaries you haven't actually given.

What? I can decide that I don't like an organisation because it is doing something wrong. What padding.

Argument from authority.

Autism Speaks and slavery are very different things.

Trademarks legally must be protected in the US, in order to maintain them. The lawyers that represent Autism Speaks were doing what they were hired to do. There is no way they would have to understand the individual was underage unless that private information was reported to them, before the letter was issued.

They stated they didn't realize the individual was a teengager, and with no evidence of it on the parody website, and the fact that the privacy act in the US, restricts the release of person identifying information, it's not unreasonable that the lawyers did not know the age of the individual involved.

A cease and desist letter is given, if that resolves the issue, no lawsuit against an individual is required, at all. In this case the situation was resolved and no lawsuit was required. That has nothing to do with prosecution.

Oxfam has organizations internationally. The one in America's whose size is similiar to Autism Speaks, as far as funding goes, brought in is similiar amount to autism speaks; salaries from their IRS form 990, as linked, are very similiar to autism speaks:

Per link the top paid employee receives compensation of $355K and there are 7 employees that have 6 digit incomes.

http://www.oxfamamerica.org/files/2010-Form-990.pdf

The United States is a much larger country than great Britain, so obviously the Branch of the organization in Great Britain would be a smaller one, with smaller salaries. And, I have no idea what the legal requirements for salary restrictions are for non-profit organizations in Great Britain, but both Oxfam and Autism Speaks meet them in the US.

Parody is protected aghogday. It was simple threatening. So your argument is untenable. THey shouldn't have threatened the person to begin with. They called it NTs Speak. That is not a trademark violation. It's a parody protected under US law.

More inveigling pedantry. They are threatening prosecution. Quit with the high redefinition.

I saw them. That's too high to be honest in my opinion. THe fact is that the British Branch is far more ubiquitous than the American branch. All it shows is that in America top execs for charity companies are overpaid.

why are people giving autism speaks so much attention by all these anti autism speaks posts.what happened to the asan bashing posts.for all the fools who thought ci was a curebee,they couldnt figure out he was paying them a compliment byalways bashing them.to people here realy think the asan is so irelivent no speaks of them anymore

Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cease_and_desist




Only a judge and/or jury can make a determination that leads to prosecution. A cease and desist letter is three steps beyond a legal summons, a trial, and a verdict.

The individual in question that was provided the cease and desist letter said several times that they were threatened by autism speaks to be sued, but never provided evidence of it. Autism Speak's offical response was they never threated to sue.

The parody was not in question, trademarks used on the website itself were in question because permission was not granted to use them. In order for for a company to maintain their registered trademarks they must protect them from unauthorized use. It's standard legal procedure for a company to protect their trademarks, by ensuring the usage is authorized.

Requesting that someone comply with the law, is not an unusual practice, in this case.

What was unusual was that it happened to be a 14 year old teenager that was responsible for it, and again there was no reasonable way that autism speaks would have in determining a website's authors age.

i dont want to come across as rude,but hasnt this autism speaks vs the 14 year old have covered a million times.like i used to tell ci your not beating a dead horse,your beating a wooly mammouth that died 250,000 years ago

You're ignoring my posts and using argumentum ad infinitum.



Oh come on. A trademark? It was a parody site. They don't need permission to take the mick out of autism speaks because hey use trademarks. It isn't even clear if trademarks were used, but even then it's parody aghogday.

I suspect the action was initiated through trademark dilution legislation which is, irrespective of the target, something any company is obliged to do in order to preserve its mark.
Using an actual, unadulterated registered trademark or symbol is not parody although what it's used in may well be. The latter does not automatically permit the former.

Ahogday is correct: it's a simple first line of defence by an organisation seeking to halt any possible dilution of its registered trademark or symbol and its purpose is to avoid legal action.
A cease and desist letter can be anything from a friendly "We have noticed that ..." to a "Unless you cease using our trademark immediately we will ...".

Dicto simpliciter.
But nevertheless it's completely legal and compares to the salaries paid at another company of equivalent scale.

You are taking his word for being right that trademarks were violated. We don't know that except from his word. Autism Speaks is a trademark of autism speaks. If they sent a letter because of a parody calling itself NT speaks then you can say goodbye to parody.

So basically they're threatening prosecution still. :/


Incorrect. Dicto simpliciter would be saying that because Oxfam UK provides a lower salary than Oxfam USA and Autism Speaks and all three are a charity, the latter two companies should reduce their salaries. What I did was say that it's too high for a charity in general. Why? Well it's a drag on resources better spent elsewhere.

Legal=/=moral.

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When I was at Agnews State Hospital I suffered horrible abuse.

where is agnews state hospital.i was sent to westboro state hospital near boston.not a memorible experience