why such huge veneration of science?

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I only mentioned Jung.
I find his work extremely interesting because of the fact that he was able to go beyond the limitations and schemas of science to discover very useful information for us all.
It's clearly impossible for our current science to describe a concrete chain of causality for all that happens around us, and especially what happens in our minds.
He allowed his mind to go and explore where most scientists would have remained blind for fear of ridicule or rejection by their peers.
That is a brave and open-minded pursuit of truth.

I agree. :)

If one is asking why there is such a veneration of science among those on the spectrum, it's because they tend to be more analytically-minded than those not on the spectrum.

Yes, that is clear as a 'stick in mud', overall, but not all, as I for one 'swim in mud'. ;)

In others WORDS, I for one can easily navigate both areas of the human mind.

But OH my GOD, that takes REAL LIFE PRACTICE, PRACTICE, and more practice in BOTH AVENUES OF MIND per science as systemizing activity and ART AS CREATION ACTIVITY.

ART CREATES SOMETHING NEW.

SYSTEMIZING STUDIES SAME.

ONLY IN general, of course, as SPECTRUM IS REALITY IN GENERAL, TOO, PER ALMOST ALL THINGS REAL, now.

I'm just coming to understand the personal and pragmatic "reasons" that "evolution" is so important to egomaniacs.

In the "evolutionary progress" model anything can be dismissed simply as prior to, and therefore inferior to, my present opinions. I think it's a diabolically cunning way to make all wisdom inaccessible to all future generations.

No. Don't expect me to piss in your pocket to maintain your egotistical view of yourselves... I really am Odd.

Trust me I am likely odder than you and trust that written words can be acts too.

Science does NOT even matter in the long run or NOW for what TRULY COUNTS IN LIFE AS IS NOW.

What matter is being human in loving strength and balance.

AND IN TRUTH THAT IS ALL.

THE rest of this stuff is SIMPLY illusion OF HUMAN ABSTRACT CONSTRUCTS and mental masturbation, overall.

Dance with a hundred girls or guys or whatever is to your liking and connect to them in unselfish cooperative bliss, and perhaps one day you may understand what human TRULY means too, as I certainly was not always in this know, as a robot more than human myself.

Negative EGO is in knowing, positive EGO is in BEING.

PERHAPS TRUTH IS PLATITUDE TO YOU, but it is REAL TO ME, AS I DOCUMENT FOR ALL OTHERS TO See EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE AS SCIENCE PROJECT but not 'real'.

Socrates was a lot like this too, if you have fully investigated philosophy THAT IS THE FORUM HERE you are discussing now, and NOT EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE SCIENCE alone.

TRUTH IS IN INSTINCT AND INTUITION, WHEN IT COMES to the greatest of all being we as humans truly CAN KNOW NOW AND that my friend is simply human being to fullest potential of WHATEVER WAY 'we' are both classically and epigenetically evolved in one lifetime NOW.

Science is a nice tool like my car but I use it and park it and that is all.

I am neither car or science, I for one am human and that is all.

I come here for the art of philosophy AND EXPRESS IT AS SUCH AS THAT IS WHAT PHILOSOPHY IS ALL ABOUT, whether others have a ticket or not.

THERE ARE TWO HEMISPHERES OF mind in metaphor but a potential for ONE ocean of being, and if you are truly STUCK IN ONE AREA OF THE Mind, the potential of you close to fully understanding what I am even saying in this sentence I find now, sadly enough, is close to zero.

But surprise me, I am all ears, too, and truly I am an exception, so you COULD BE TOO. :)

Who are you talking about?

Whom the cap fits.

Smiles friend, it also takes courage to be different and NOT DO THE SAME.

A fascinating portrait.
I don't like being shouted at in caps so I rarely read anything you post.

But don't worry. It's highly unlikely that 'Spergics will outnumber or overcome narcissists in places like this.

Still don't know who you're talking about. I haven't even read the whole thread. But I have sometimes been accused of having such traits, which is possibly accurate in some cases. Aside from that, I had a few discussions on similar things lately. And what I said is that when there is a discussion I find that it is in most cases the most rewarding when you more or less fire out your full artillery at the opposition, in full frankness. Just spill the beans however delusional or disturbed it may be. Beating around the bush just means less progress in my view. Yeah I don't promote being nice very much, which is why I'm accused by some of being somewhat psychopathic. That might perhaps be some kind of psychological defence mechanism in me where I have grown tired of being hurt all the time so I just shut off all feelings and blaze everybody, accusing them of being emotional thinkers and whatnot. It seems to work fairly well though. I'm not a big fan of emotion.

I don't promote being rude, in an emotional way, just not beating around the bush. At least not on an Internet forum. In some real life situations diplomacy might be more important if you don't want to end up under a bridge.

Using CAPS is a literary device used on the New AGE frontier of Online Communication to generate human emotion to keep folks alive AND focused in the TWITTER WORLD OF 140 characters or less that science shows now is 'EVOLVING' HUMANS TO the literal attention span of a GOLD FISH NOW.

AND PLEASE don't try to project your issues onto me friend, as I have been around the block with some of the 'GREATEST' PSYCHOPATHIC And Narcissistic minds in my tenure of over two decades working with tens of thousands of military and non-military folks in the general public IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE.

It DOES NOT WORK ON ME AT ALL.

IT IS MORE THAN OBVIOUS, to me at least, NOW THAT you are here to look for emotional buttons to press on what you see as inferior human beings, but that my friend WILL NOT WORK WITH ME as I can see through it as clear as your mirror.

AND IF YOU haven't already heard my clarifications for the method of my communication here, I apologize, but you will never find a TRUE NARCISSIST CAPABLE OF DOING THAT. ;)

And I'll let you speculate on the psychopath thingy if you like, as most true ZEN Masters are capable of doing that as well as an ACT of human nature PER RELATIVE FREE WILL.

But I say speculate away as you will, and I will continue to observe you as such, from a detached way of emotional mind, as I ACT THAT WAY. ;)

Considering that you're talking about psychopathy and emotion, I don't know if you're talking to me, and not Oldavid. I haven't accused you of being an "emotional thinker". I was referring to discussions on other forums. We have already discussed emotion and emotional attachment somewhat. And since that is a subject I have been thinking a lot about lately I find it interesting to encounter people of a different opinion in that subject, as you have showed that you have. As I said before, keep blazing on, because it's the dialectic that enlightens, not agreement.

No, that is not directed at you, at all Tomato; you are a kind, thoughtful, and empathic human being as evidenced in the record of your communication here.

And your total honesty is what is most IMPRESSIVE ABOUT YOU. :)

'NORMAL' human beings look to the good of others and not the bad.
And that my friend is evidenced in your communication time and time again.

And that's the great thing about online communication.

One can go back and EASILY FIND ALL THE EXAMPLES OF THE POTENTIAL 'GOOD AND BAD' OF THAT. :)

IN THE REAL flesh and blood WORLD 'THOSE' 'KIND' OF folks just deny they did it.

That's not possible here, amusingly so for me, as it was much harder to prove in offline communication to others, at least.

And my close to photographic memory for text and reading speed of 10 to 15 times faster than the average human being, per my hyperlexic form of Autism, makes it a breeze with or without the record, as well. :)

But it's nice to have the evidentiary proof ON RECORD just as back up, in case someone says BACK IT UP. ;)

AND THAT MY FRIEND is the reason I document my own personal life, as much as FULLY I do, in case folks ask me to BACK UP THE real life MIRACLES THAT ARE part of what I do IN REAL LIFE IN THE PAST and Now, per the last year and a half of REAL LIFE MIRACLE IN RECOVERY that for now is me. :)

Interesting, because it was actually about a year and a half ago that my shift occurred, or began, also. I'm not sure I would call mine a miracle though, although it felt like it when it began. Sounds like you're trying to compliment there in that post. Just that "normal" and "empathic" I'm not so sure I view in a positive light these days. Not that it matters though. Now, this is not the kind of stuff I like to talk about, as I said I'm not a big fan of emotion. I think I said that my shift seems to have been a kind of Christ consiousness at first, then gradually seems to have been my rejection of "Christ" perhaps, at least partly, although I can have a bit of a Christ thing going at times still, and that I sometimes seem to have become more psychopathic. In this context I found an interesting article recently, of which I have read half. It's an analysis of Nightcrawler, which I find interesting to read also because it's a different philosophizing around that movie than the philosophizing I did when I had watched it. He speculates that the accident scene in the beginning represents some kind of spiritual awakening, phoenix burning down and rising from the ashes, and marking the beginning of a new development, some form of initiation. The character was kind of wandering around aimlessly before that event and became more of a psychopath and more aggressive afterwards. That, if you take it as an analogy for more abstract things, and not being about career and such, does seem to resemble my development to some degree.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/11/29/parasitic-prowl-analysis-of-the-hollywood-pyschodrama-nightcrawler/

In my opinion a shift in global (cosmic) consciousness did occur about a year to two or so ago, as I as a 'recovering empath' could feel in the 'air all around me'.

Now to be crystal clear there is no science known to prove this now or THEN.

But I for sure am not the only one BY 'FAR' who has independently come to the same conclusion across the globe.

There is OBVIOUSLY NOT A Mayan apocalypse; only a shift of consciousness as truly prophetically predicted 'then' per what is now, no matter what is IS then, as sychronicity IS then and now both, as now is all there IS.

But again, this is so far beyond 'normal' rationality that most people cannot even begin to put it into any human words, even if they clearly observe it beyond mind of words.

I am an 'observer' more than a 'speaker', per input and or output.

My words are only a speck of the Universe that is the perception of my mind of the Universe 'it sees'.

And people 'say' I 'talk' a lot. ;)

They will never know the depth of my mind, and the Universe I for one see, if that is the case, as it goes infinitely further than these words alone, and always has.

And I suspect there are many more like me diagnosed or not on the Autism Spectrum, including you of course that I recognized almost immediately in my conversation with you about the matrix that is still documented here, some months ago.

There is truly no time, distance, or even space in true reality that is now TRUE FULL human mind as is.

To know that NOW is only to know NOW in truest potential peace of mind AND NIRVANA/BLISS that I for one am fortunate enough to know now AS MY TRUE REALITY, no matter what the 'forms of these words' 'look like' from a 'distance'. :)

And of course, as usual, admittingly, this WILL BE mostly or all gibberish to folks who have not 'seen' this 'NOW' yet. :)

And it is rare to extremely rare that someone comes along who can even 'see' part of what I am speaking to here.

And always like A breath of fresh when I do, as it IS here NOW.