Creation is the greatest Power in the Universe?

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Right?!

Nothing on this earth is created out of nothing, everything is made out of something or derieved from something.

Primarily out of stellar debris.

The question seems very clear to me. ANA is asking why do we not have a fifth force (creation) alongside EM, Gravity, The strong Nuclear Force and The Weak Nuclear Force. ANA it is very simple as far as we understand things matter and everything else is created by the four basic forces, without them there would be no creation. Therefore any form of creation is a result of these forces and not formed by a "creative force". People can talk of "energy" in the form of mysticism, as well as the creative forces, but their is ZERO evidence for any of it, on the contrary there is a rapidly expanding store of evidence pointing completely away from any form of supernatural "force"

Could you please define "nothing".

You got more out of the question than I could get. The question makes so little sense in terms of physics that my assumption was that it was about something else entirely.

It's even more suspect because of the phrasing "when it seems to be what everything in the universe in a constant state of doing". That truly needs explanation. It seems like there is an assumption there with no reason to believe that there is the slightest interpretation by which that assumption makes sense.

If the question was over something like creativity by intelligent beings, we can only guess as to how common intelligence may be in the universe. Even assuming intelligence is extremely common, it still doesn't make sense.

That leaves interpretation of the question as one of what would be the greatest superpower of all? If that was what was intended, then I would agree that being able to create whatever you needed would be a really superpower to have. It's still a stupid question, though.

They might as well have asked something insanely stupid such as "Why isn't liquid goldfish named as the greatest drink in the universe when it seems that every being in the universe is making it?"

I meant that everything is made or derieved out of something else, like how dust is made out of rock or how organisms are made out of the parent(s) cells or how ice can turn to water and water turn into ice, even creativity- ideas usually come to us from what we experience

NO THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT what she is asking.

She is asking if CREATION IS the greatest force NOW, not at the beginning (whatever that was) of those forces that you mentioned that ARE the creative forces that still operate and create all that is now, aka GOD, as far as the scribe of science knows FOR now.

As she said clearly already, this doesn't necessarily have to do with anything ABOUT a concept of GOD per how some folks view GOD as Super Natural BUT AGAIN, REPEATED HERE AGAIN, others like me TO THE TUNE OF MILLIONS OF FOLKS view GOD as totally and I do mean TOTALLY NATURAL PER ALL THAT IS NOW. :)

ALL THINGS THAT EXIST ARE STILL IN A FLUX OF CREATION WHETHER THAT CREATION IS CREATING SOMETHING GREATER or perceived as lesser by human view per entropy as science defines entropy for NOW.

This doesn't have to be complicated.

A wave that goes out disappears, but never the less, it is still creating itself on the way out and on the way back in.

The same is true of a rubber band. Pull it back and it disappears to some of view on the way out, but it is still creating change as whole when it comes back.

And yes, of course the forces of Nature are still behind AND WITH this overall creative force in flux always NOW, as science scribes for NOW, too.

We are riding on a tiny part of that rubber band or wave at a minute view of NOW, and truly 'we' (per science) still do not know NOW wHere that rubber band or wave is eventually going, ebb or flow, in space and distance in constant creation flow for NOW still driven by the creative FORCES OF MOTHER NATURE TRUE AKA GOD2!. :)

Seriously, in all honesty, I hope that most everyone CAN know the answer to the question, just with common sense.

But considering all the answers given in this discussion, the answer that some might think is plain as the electrons still spinning around the nucleus of all the atoms of smaller units of the cells of one's nose is largely lost here, it seems.

So her question is a valid and important one in the pursuit of truth.

And in philosophy that's all that counts, as it CAN 'breed' out ignorance from the herd when truly heard with open minds that pursue truth over formality of who is right or wrong in extreme rigid ways of thinking.

Philosophy is the art of common sense, not the science of rigid thinking.

And do we need to ignore the 800LB Gorilla of Autism in the room...

Well KNOW no, NOT for those folks who pursue truth with PHILOSOPHY with OPEN mind ways of thinking and less the rigid view that is TECHNICALLY AND SCIENTIFICALLY studied AS a CLINICAL TRAIT OF AUTISM that can be like climbing MT Everest to overcome but I for one believe it is more of a culturally induced physiological phenomenon than an innate one that most of the folks, at least on this website, are 'saddled' with for now.

Longitudinal studies on Hans Asperger's case studies suggest there is a great deal of truth in the paragraph I just wrote, but I never close my mind to any possibility over rigid political or scientific correctness.

And those longitudinal studies do indicate that those folks DID ADAPT AND CHANGE FROM THEIR PREVIOUS RIGID WAYS OF THINKING, LIKELY INDUCED by cultural ways of abstract thought IN mechanical cognition trappings away from the REAL FLESH AND BLOOD LIFE social cognition ways of mind when not more FULLY BALANCED IN MIND AND BODY IN really connecting to other folks.

It's part of the reason why I have overcome the most disabling functional reciprocal social communication difficulties of Autism, as I refused to believe science alone, when 'they' say it cannot be 'cured' per remediation of symptoms, and found MY OWN DAM CURE, WITHOUT SITTING STILL, wasting my life and rotting away as is.

And yes I have the empirical evidence to prove it with an AQ score moving from 44 to 45 TO 11; an Aspie Quiz score moving from 195 to 92, and an EQ score moving from mid 50's to 95, as I simply found a way to connect emotions to language in poetic expression, and increased my physical intelligence that science now shows regulates emotions and sensory integration, as well as improving short term memory for executive function, AND in my specific case, through a totally natural instinctual and intuitive way of mixed martial arts and ballet style of dance walk on average now of 200 miles a month everywhere I go in public stores with my shopaholic wife.

And most importantly, I DEVELOPED the courage that comes all natural with increasing physical intelligence driving emotional intelligence, sensory integration, and greater executive functioning that allows one to GREATER AND FREER get out in the herd and connect in flesh and blood MOVING WAYS IN BOTH SPEECH AND NON-VERBAL reciprocal social COMMUNICATION to all human diversity, in ways of being in the HEARD OF HERD AT LARGE.

And I do realize we have already discussed much of this in another thread but truly it is both a philosophical, political, mixed with science always on topic issue, at least for here, overall, which in my opinion cannot be heard enough for those IN THE HERD who seek positive philosophical and organic change in their life.

For those who don't, I recognized it may be TOTALLY MEANINGLESS OR ASSESSED AS GIBBERISH.

BUT NEVER THE LESS, I have the documented evidence that shows it does WORK IN REAL LIFE, for me at least, along with the longitudinal studies on Hans Asperger's clinical study subjects THAT SUGGEST THE SIMILAR is possible, too, for other folks as well. :)

Science, being based on observation, verification, and known facts, is much more reasonable than any belief system that is based upon superstition, myth, legend, and ersatz doctrine, all made up to maintain the Patriarchy.

There is one phenomenon that could be labelled the "Creative Force". It is currently called the "Dark Force". This is the hypothetical occurrence of quantum particles spontaneously coming into being, and then immediately disappearing from existence. The appearance of these particles pushed against all other particles already in existence, thus forcing the expansion of the universe, and allowing more space for more of these "Virtual Particles" to do their thing. The cycle then repeats itself, ad infinitude.

Again, this is only an hypothesis, but even this "Dark Force" succumbs to Entropy, as the virtual particles are almost immediately annihilated upon creation.

Entropy Rules!

Correct, and potentially yes, the cycle of creation, including entropy, goes on.

AS philosophy and religion has been suggesting for eons. :)

And still is and will likely continue to do so until the human species becomes extinct well before an answer comes.

And perhaps the question will be asked again, and again, and again...

It is why I for one ONLY LIVE IN NOW, and never ever worry about the next one, unless there is a real issue now.

After all is before now and after there is Only now, and all the others 'stuff' is illusion anyway, for the bottom line of human being existence NOW.

The first potential trap was abstract written language and collective intelligence.

Now the potential and likely trap is one huge 'CAMEL' of culture that CAN INCLUDE religion as well as science with illusory thinking of yesterday or tomorrow, no matter how precisely 1 plus 1 equals 2.

As even that (simple solved equation) in what is REAL LIFE PER human BEING IS MEANINGLESS other than a tool for more subsistence that is now a buffet of human misery, for many folks per excess of modern cultural ways of life.

And again, it is why philosophy no longer or ever truly has ruled the human heard of herd but still has potential answers that truly count in real life NOW, at least. :)

Religion, science, and other modern complex cultural ways ARE too slow AND simultaneously TOO FAST, overall, for living a balanced life now, at least for me, WITH NO DOUBT AT ALL.

BUT I FOR ONE speak for no one else as I for one own both my own shared philosophy and poetic voice of heArt in oNE balanced NOW. :)

I thought about the quantum foam, but dismissed it as being immaterial to the argument.

Entropy seems to rule static Physics. That is unless there is a force creating new matter. If there is it is a flow out from the source, and not a running down of everything. I question if Black Holes could form in the time alloted by our view of the universe.

Be that as it may, Mars and the Moon look dead. Physics does not account for life, and life has risen from pond scum to posting on WP. The path is constant, to higher and more complex forms. There have been setbacks, but the general pattern is increased biomass, more types, filling new spaces. That is creation.

Erosion and water running downhill have not left a bare planet, because new soil forms. We know what the landscape looked like when dinosaurs roamed, and both the soil and plants have become more complex.

Physics has been good to us, for everything on this planet was once in a star, that exploded. The Big Bang accounts for gas, which lead to stars, but there was no direct creation of planets. The first suns had none.

So we have Steller creation, which gave birth to something useful. One thing ran down, blew up, but as part of a more complex system.

Physics can measure how things are now, but can only speculate about how they came into being, and what the future holds. The timeline for the universe running down is long, and new stars are being formed.

We one creation of life. one strand of DNA, so complex it did not get formed by accident in some hot mud. It shows up when the planet was cool enough to support life, and then changed the planet to support more life, that had not yet come into being.

That lead to Tesla, who predicted a world mind formed when every person could have a device to communicate with all others. He was an aspie, so I think he meant WP.

So the pattern, the universe did a lot of things to produce intelligent life, a work in progress, so it would have someone to talk to. Nothing comes from nothing, so it created us in its own image. Not a great copy yet, but we do have family traits. Tesla and WP brought us together so we can join our knowledge.

We are the first that can join in creation, get a clearer view of what is, and discover. My line is no one ever invented anything, it was always there, they were just the first to notice. The rate of Patents is speeding up, and there is an endless amount more to discover.

The creation of intelligent life is gaining power, so creation is an ongoing thing.

Gods are just people misunderstanding a talking universe. A lot of what they said is true, it is everywhere, and does want us to behave better. We are its children, it wants to educate us.

We learn by doing, any act studied produces new knowledge. Doing produces a feedback that is not from the books, or your own knowledge, or brain. Be open and receptive, ask and you shall recieve.

Oh, Benevolent giftwaves of reality,
grant me the ability to know all things,
by seeing, hearing, and reflecting. Tibetian Book of the Dead