Speaking and Listening - My Stance on Autism Speaks

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@gedrene yes your right in a way and i dont follow A.S so maybe he has done stuff i dont know about.however i dont think inside the box and im not for A.S or asan.i think T man as well works with and is critical of A.S.he also thinks outside the box.he is chummier with autism speaks than i would be,but T man is not a autism speaks supporter.im on ci's forum all the time and i know a curebee when i see one.tambourine mans is N0 curebee

Gedrene said:

3) I thought about muder-suicide of myself and my child.

Tambourine-Man says:

Gedrene thought about murdering his autistic child! It says so right there! Gedrene, you are awful!
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Gedrene said:

2) It was the vaccines

Tambourine-Man says:

Wait, you think vaccines caused autism? Why would you say that Gedrene?! Vaccines don't cause autism! You're a fool!

Everyone, Gedrene thinks autism is a disease caused by vaccines! He said it! Just look!

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See what I did here? I took an isolated sentence from your entire post and interpreted it literally. Then I posted the sentence, all by itself, and quoted you as saying it.

Obviously, you must think vaccines caused autism, or you wouldn't have said it! Of course, I know this isn't true.

When you break off one sentence and interpret it literally, you take it out of context.

Do I think skeptical people are terrorists? When did I say this?

Gedrene, please explain to me what these three quotes mean...


"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"No one is all good or all bad - everyone has their reasons."

"He had never been so angry... or so happy. He felt so many emotions at once."

i dont believe autism speaks was ever in favor of wiping out autistics.parent just had misguided idea' about helpng there children.yes they are very patronizing and alienating but they were just being over protective parents.i never bought the whole autism speaks and murder/nazi bit anyway.

Gedrene said:

Your insinuation was that by being opposed to autism speaks even on grounds of justified distrust you feel you had the right to call them a terrorist. You said be an activist, not a terrorist, whilst saying before hand that people should work with autism speaks, not against it. That instantly suggests opposition can be equated or even suggested to be like terrorism.

Yet Tambourine-Man already said, a whole page ago:

I'm not suggesting that you are a terrorist by any means. Not at all. Please do not think that comment was directed at your skepticism. I'm a skeptic myself.

However, there are, indeed, many extremists of the online terrorist variety, who do everything they can to incite riots and flame wars without achieving anything productive. After the interview was published, I received pms stating that, "The blood of grandparents would have to be shed for the Autism Nazis to stop." This is terrorism, plain and simple.

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Where do I EVER say that skepticism and opposition to Autism Speaks is a form of terrorism? I did say that I, myself am a skeptic. I'm am skeptical that Autism Speaks is all good. I'm also skeptical that they are all bad. Am I calling myself a terrorist?

I am opposed to their ridiculously high salaries. Am I calling myself a terrorist?

Are we going to go round in circles about this?

NT thinking at it's worst.

As someone who spent a lifetime repairing machines, I have seen the differance. The NT view is maybe the outside. My computer, car, is not working.

Questions about what is not working are considered insulting, Questions about what they did just before it quit working are considered prying.

Systems are not just a box, it is an interlocking system of functions, each studied as a part of something.

On a car, the problem could be fuel, electric, or computer. At hundreds of dollars each troubleshooting becomes an art, even among mechanics.

Understanding parts, their function, how they work together, is what makes whole systems run.

At eighteen I was hired to keep a room full of IBM punchcard machines running, because I could see the part of the system that was not functioning, that stopped the whole system from preforming, and left five workers standing around. My education credits that got me the job, best motorcycle mechanic around. I also did Italian sports cars.

Parts make a chain of function through sub systems, which are obvious to me. Subsystems interact, Fuel, Spark, Timing, and all have to be in proper relationship to function. Function varies, what we call Performance, is getting the highest function from the whole system.

For this I was very well paid. Customers were mostly those perfect creations that only see what most people think is important. Since I had grease on my hands they considered me an inferior.

They ran something into the ground, then wanted a simple cheap quick fix. I became busy, come back in a week, then I will clean the engine and change the oil twice, then work on it. It worked, I got rid of most. They would not pay to clean an engine inside and out.

Those who agreed were told we can do that now. At mechanic rates, shop rate, $30 in cleaning was worth $50 in mechanic time.

The deal was I will only repair as I do, after cleaning I can see oil leaks, so new gaskets as needed. It was a full inspection, top and bottom, set valve lash, clean oil pan, and then the outside parts, Fuel, Electric.

Non functioning parts were replaced, partly functioning parts were replaced, and some just because they were old. Hoses, ignition wires, distributor caps. I fixed five out of one and a half things wrong.

The result was performance like new. I was a bit more expensive, but they got a light rebuild for the cost of a repair. I hardly ever saw them again, once a year. Some came back for brakes, I sent them to a brake shop.

They did send me customers that wanted the same.

The only people who were really interested were Surgeons, they not only wanted the deal, they would come clean parts to learn how systems function. Other mechanics reported the same, these guys could have been mechanics, they had the mind for it.

Almost all were "Normal People," They could see there was something under the hood. They got the important part, there was something there.

How all of that worked was beneath them. They had a real job, where they stayed clean.

Mechanics have a DSM of customers, we class them, laugh about them while drinking beer after work. We judge them compared to our superior knowledge. There are very few we see as fully functioning humans.

You need a clutch plate, the flywheel resurfaced, and a throwout bearing. "No I don't, just replace the clutch plate." OK, pull the driveshaft, transmission, bell housing, replace the clutch plate, $350.

A month later, the throwout bearing went, $330.

Six months later, the clutch plate went, $360 with a resurfaced flywheel.

I love Normal People.

To quote B.T. Barnum, "There is a Neurotypical born every second."

I thought you wanted to discuss Autism Speaks?

What are your qualifications for playing Psycholigist?

There is more than one way to skin a cat.