Terrorist attack in France

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They've been in the dark ages for quite for hundreds of years. It won't be a religion of peace for a very long time if I'm to guess, seeing as it's a stoning for apostasy and tons of other stupid crap in a lot of countries with Islam as the state religion.

Only becuse some nazis were christians it does not mean that all nazis were christans and that the nazi ideology is a part of christianity. Almost all nazis were not belivers in Jesus, they were however culture christian, just like you are.


About Hitler, from Wikipedia:

Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity.

Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany

Adolf Hitler was skeptical of all religious belief.[9] Alan Bullock saw Hitler as a "materialist".

"[Hitler] himself saw Christianity as a temporary ally, for in his opinion 'one is either a Christian or a German'. To be both was impossible. Nazism itself was a religion, a pagan religion, and Hitler was its high priest... Its high altar [was] Germany itself and the German people, their soil and forests and language and traditions"

Hitler emphasised that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on modern science.

Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism in Germany. Amid intimidation, the Bavarian People's Party and Catholic Centre Party had ceased to exist by early July.

Hitler's invasion of predominantly Catholic Poland in 1939 ignited the Second World War. Kerhsaw wrote that, in Hitler's scheme for the Germanization of the East, "There would, he made clear, be no place in this utopia for the Christian Churches.

And there is more, much much more.

Moved from News and Current Events.

MEH.. religions all have their so-called good and bad human created elements associated with the tribal instinct of human beings.

That's not dark ages that is human nature.

And obvious to see here in this thread for the killing SPIRIT of all of a certain type of Muslim.

Tribal is as tribal does.

To break away from that instinctual mentality takes COGNITIVE EFFORT.

I am not seeing much of that here.

Instead, just the normal human instinctual response of "MY TEAM IS BETTER THAN YOURS".

I AM personal friends with several Muslim Women from Pakistan and they have bigger hearts of love, than '99%' of the folks in this thread, except for a handful of critically thinking folks who use rationality instead of emotionality to broad sweep a category of folks with one limited and EMOTIONALLY INSPIRED 'Killing Spirit' brush.

And in my opinion, it is no less disgusting than the terrorist attack, in spirit, as it is JUST THIS KIND OF human instinctual tribal SENTIMENT expressed by the 'herd' at large that can lead to the next go around of an 'Iraq', of such ignorant killing of innocents as that.

There are extremists everywhere, IN SMALL POCKETS, and there are 'truly' critical thinkers almost NOWHERE, EVERYWHERE ONE looks.

At least in my opinion, as I get out there and mix with the real world, not just public opinion on the INTERWEBZ.

There are always psychopathic leaning folks out there, in the herd at large, willing to use any ideology to advance their own selfish needs for power whether it is MATERIALISM, POLITICAL, or RELIGIOUS POWER.

AND THERE are always weak, impressionable, and often abused VULNERABLE young folks just UNWITTINGLY waiting to be prey from these PREDATORS TO MINDLESSLY AND HEARTLESSLY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

SOMETIMES folks are killed and sometimes lives are just ruined by BRAINWASHING B.S.

But never the less, it is part of the human condition, and will go on as long as humans live on this earth, regardless of what the label of the religions are, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, PRO-BALL, or whatever else.

Organized TEAM sports work better, as no one usually gets killed for a team to root for and fight for, as TRIBAL FAN.

Human is human, with or without a label, per nature as such, and the tribal instinct IS JUST THAT, HUMAN IN ALL ITS good and bad attributes, as assessed by humans.

And will anything I say here change anyone's mind, hell no, extremely unlikely, as folks in general, so-called Autistic or NOT, are almost always led by their emotions over so-called rationality, except for people who do know how to turn them off, and just think, with A cognitively critical conscious style, If they CAN.

Oh, so if some nazis were atheist, that means that the nazi ideology was inherently atheistic? Your argument doesn't make sense at all.

So glad to hear these guys are gone.

The problem is "they" think they "do" represent islam...

At a recent Australian TV discussion/debate, following the rise of ISIS in Iraq/Syria, there was the usual panel of muslim leaders and articulate speakers defending islam but avoiding (very carefully) any criticism of young Australian people choosing to join ISIS, basically it's not their problem.

I was heartened when two western dressed Arab girls asked the muslim panel why nobody in the muslim community is concerned what factors tip otherwise western cultivated young muslim men and women to switch from a education, western lifestyle, friends, parties, music etc to support terror organisations overseas? they asked their community leaders to investigate what it is?? this seems to be the $64,000 question. Not all of these people have psychological problems or are marginalised. Lets not forget the Boston bombers were popular young college guys who were dating American girls and had no reason to be violent.

I have seen the statistic that the kind of militant salafism that motivates this kind of Jihad is followed by only about 1/2 of 1% of muslims.

95.5% of muslims do not adhere to this pernicious nonsense.

The problem is that 0.5% of 1.6 billion is a lot of people. And their movement has a lot of oil money.

(English translation)
This Qur'an could never have been devised by any besides Allah. Rather it is confirmation of what came before it and an elucidation of the Book which contains no doubt from the Lord of all the worlds. Do they say, "He has invented it"? Say: "Then produce a sura like it and call on anyone you can besides Allah if you are telling the truth." (Qur'an, 10:37-38)

And this is a Book (entirely) We have sent down and blessed, so follow it and have fear of Allah so that hopefully you will gain mercy. (Qur'an, 6:155)

There's plenty of surahs that translate as it's a muslim duty to follow "all" the content as every word is the word of Allah. However the crafty counter-argument is that one can choose to interpret the Surahs in their own way as the English translation of the original Arabic can be ambiguous.

That's what I'd like to read for myself. Thanks for the two quotes you've posted so far, but they don't say anything near that. "Follow it" is a long way from "you are not a Muslim unless you follow every word of the Quran".

You do know the policeman killed defending Charlie was a muslim? Someone created an image on twitter to clear that up for people:



And as for the "religion is the source of all evil" crowd, if religion were to disappear tomorrow, we would still have war, poverty and right wing crazies... The people behind them would just find another means to justify it. The problem isn't religion, it is people.

What happened was very sad, and my thoughts are with the families, but let's not let hate create hate. In fact, groups like ISIS want people to react by marginalising muslims, as that makes it easier for them to recruit.

What also really saddens me is the attacks on "immigrants". How long will it take humans to realise that there is one world, and one people. Nationality is a man made construct used to turn the weak minded against each other. The sooner people realise that the better.

But the problem is that people tend to look to the 'islam' part, not the fact that they are only abusing that religion.

I'm glad at least some important Muslim people stood up and spoke out against what has happened. Mayor Aboutalleb of Rotterdam addressed the crowd in French and said that he was Charlie too. THAT was a great statement. I wish more Muslim leaders would do that ... not only the ones talking to a large crowd with the cameras pointed at them.


The last decade people got more intolerant towards Muslims. It's not just openly racist, it's also the latent racism that happens in daily life.

A Dutch jihadi, Sultan Berzel, was only 19 years old when he got expelled from his school. He totally collapsed and somehow turned into a jihadi in the blink of an eye. His father was desperate when he disappeared ... only leaving a note behind.
He did try to help a classmate (a girl) who was trying to get out of Syria ... he died as a suicide bomber.

Dyab Abou JahJah was right when he said today that doesn't disagree with Aboutalleb. Aboutalleb said extremists should get the hell out of there. Abou JahJah disagrees: there are laws for extremists and they should abide by it. These kids were born here and grew up here, you can't kick them out. We have to really let them integrate and feel part of our society!

And he posted tweet:

Interestingly both terrorists and moderate muslims draw upon surahs from the Quran.

Interestingly both moderate and republican americans draw upon the US constitution. Interpretation is an interesting thing, and often people read of something what they want to...

Is it clear to them they are abusing the religion? or do they see themselves as defending their religion? Charlie Hebdo has been firebombed in the past. Everyday folk in Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, Somalia and plenty of other countries can be seen protesting and burning effigies of anyone who dares portray Mohammed or the Quran in a bad way, even if it's done within the safe confines of a democratic state with free speech...



There is no reason why they should not feel integrated. Ironically many of the communities where ISIS terrorists are recruited such as the Lebanese and Afghan communities here in Melbourne have been part of the local culture for many generations and are far better integrated than most recent non-muslim communities who feel more marginalized. The two young men who bombed the Boston marathon were completely Americanized.

Probably not ... that's why they're extremists.



But that doesn't mean they are really accepted. Why are there still so many movements needed to defend the rights of african-americans, indians, gay, etc ??? I think it's because they are not accepted ... we want to think they are, but reality is different.