Why do lots of people think that people choose to be gay?
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This has nothing to do with choosing to be gay, but he is choosing to live a somewhat straight life for a few years after he marries and has kids. He says that in those situations in his culture that after a few years of being faithful and after having the kids then both the husband and wife are free to find someone else to fall in love with. Oddly enough many choose to stay together because they do love one another, even if they aren't in love with each other, and they just get sex and romance outside of marriage. He said that those particular husbands treat their wives better than any other guys he's ever seen. They do romantic gestures and take them out and enjoy spending time together, etc. I told him that if something ever happens to my husband I now expect him to find me a nice gay guy in his culture who is my age who I can marry lol. I'll be too old for much sex and romance and being married to a good looking guy who is a good dancer and who loves to go out and who would always make a nice couple with me when we go places would be wonderful in my old age lol. Plus, I love gay men and when I was single I was a fag hag for quite a long time and usually had one particular "gay boyfriend" or other. I always had a date when I didn't have a real date and they always had somebody to bring to family things as their girlfriend. Plus we were usually best friends.
So in Gypsy culture (forget about gay for a moment) a couple are expected to be faithful only for a few years (till the kids are in gradeschool?)and then can take on other lovers? That's...interesting.
I never said about Gypsy culture in general. I was talking about how his family and their culture in that immediate and extended family group, handle it when a guy is gay. I never said that in Gypsy culture that you are only expected to be faithful till the kids were in school. I meant that the married couple where one is gay did that in the group of people that he's related to and who he knows who are also Gypsies. I looked back how I worded it and can see how it would have come across that way, but I mean when a gay person marries a straight person. Oddly enough, he says most gay women in his culture who he knows don't come out, so there isn't a lot of info about how lesbians handle it.
The couple stay faithful till they are done having kids so that it's the guys kids she's having. Of course he wouldn't be getting anybody else pregnant but it's only fair that he stays faithful if she is. He knows a few people in that situation and thats how it's done. I'm just glad that his family isn't like some of the other Rom families he knows who will disown somebody for being gay. It's not right to force or expect marriage, but he has no problem with that, for some reason.
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In fairness, we should also respect the fact that they are also emotionally attracted to the same sex.
In fairness, I think that's covered by sexual attraction. It's quite the blanket term, ya know.
Nonsense. The number of women i would have sex with is beyond comprehension. The number of women i'd pursue a meaningful relationship with is relatively small. Right now it might only be Amy Schumer.
You've heard of that game "Marry, bang, kill" right?
It's also something of a meme in long-term heterosexual relationships, esp. marriages. I think it's fairly safe to say this one isn't orientation-specific.
The therapists who wrote the books about it disagree.
If it's one-sided, certainly. I've known people to turn a blind eye to extra-marital liaisons because their lack of sexual appetite prevents them from meeting the needs of their partner, or even outright endorse straying. It even seems to work for some couples - I guess it takes all sorts.
I had a girl who told me she'd be cool with me finding someone else to have sex with.
There isn't a day that goes by that i don't regret not dumping her right that moment.
Oh.. i can agree with adifferent name.. who is very logical after all.
'It takes all sorts'; sums up the truth of human being.
All of life is a spectrum of light
from rainbow
to human being.
Some folks like it hard; some folks like raw;
and some folks like it tough; and some
folks do not like it at all.
It takes all sorts sums it up;
and when willing folks are not
available during puberty to release
all the open desires; fetishes of
whatever can become the result;
So, some people choose to LOVE
THE Statue of Liberty; timely I
DO add, considering the date
of today; and others are just
born with the hormone
influencing ways
of dominating
or receiving love AND OR SEX.
I have no idea what sex is until
after the age of 16; but I have
romantic crushes on girls
from the time of Kindergarden;
And yes; I am as sexed up then as
anyone; but the information on the
Bill Clinton Definition of SEX IS DEF.
hidden back in patriarchal censoring
land of the 60's to mid 70's, where I
live in the DEEP SOUTH.
For me, where I live, the sexual revolution
does not get there until the days of Disco
in the late 70's; HA! so thanks GOD for
JOHN TRAVOLTA; AS DANCE brings
hip gyrating freedom to guys and
girls alike! But OH my GOD! seriously
anyone who has any cognitive and affective
empathy at all; understands that NORMAL HUMAN
BEINGS have more need for emotional comfort than
getting it on in the Bill Clinton Definition of SEX; SEX
is for the moment; but hey! REAL LOVE LASTS FOREVER
IN THE MOMENT; IT'S ABOUT LOVE; ALWAYS HAS BEEN;
ALWAYS WILL BEEN; EXCEPT for psychopathic leaning
individuals who think life starts and ends above the
the skirt and below the belt; Religious folks who
hate sex, oughta know enough to know the
best way to end sex is to start a
marriage; sex is all about
diversity for men;
and security
for women.
Men are from Mars
and Women are from
Venus, in general; but
please let's not forget
about the other 6 PLANETS
OF LOVE THAT RANGE FREE
ON THE SPECTRUM OF GENDER
AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION THAT
IS AS FREE AS BUTTERFLY WINGS
WHEN RELEASED FROM GUILDING
CAGES OF
CULTURE AND
RELIGION; repressing
and oppressing human
NATURE AT ITS BEST
IN DIVERSITY
for survival!
All human roles are integral to
the survival of the social group
as whole, ranging from asexuals
to PANSEXUALS AND ALL OF
WHAT LIES
BETWEEN
FOR TRUTH!..![]()
YES,
'it takes all sorts',
to make a human race!
work for long-term SURVIVAL!
AND WHEN it comes to human
survival; we are all pArt of the same RACE;
some folks are just slow getting out
of the starting blocks
of FULLER HUMAN
FREEDOM TO LIVE
free together and
just frigging get along!
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I don't understand why sexual preferences are so relevant. I've never made a choice to be attracted to anyone, only whether or not to act on those attractions.
I just don't see why it should matter if it's a choice or not.. People should be able to label themselves how they want and live their life how they choose. If it's not hurting anyone, or imposing on their rights, it isn't my business.
Also, a person can believe that they are gay or straight, and find out otherwise, later on in life. I think it's hard to truly know 100% for certain. If you believe that you are only attracted to one gender, and you change your mind later, it's probably because someone pretty special came into your life, and gave you reason to fall for them. It doesn't necessarily mean that you were confused or wrong about yourself.
We've all got this one life. The quality of that life matters much more than the labels.
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People choosing to be gay happens.
Gay for pay isn't "choosing to be gay". It's choosing to have sex with someone of the same sex. Being gay is being attracted to that sex and wanting a relationship with someone of that sex. Anybody physically can have sex with someone of the same sex, that doesn't make them gay. The attraction and desire for it is what makes them gay. A gay person who chooses to have sex with the opposite sex isn't choosing to be straight. They are choosing to have sex with the opposite sex for whatever reason, and some may be attempting to choose to be straight but that doesn't mean they succeed. Being gay or straight has to do with attraction and desire and romantic love or the potential for romantic love, it doesn't really have much to do with who you might have sex with for reasons other than desire.
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People choosing to be gay happens.
But once having left the military, how long did they remain gay? Not very long, is my guess. So rather, I would suspect they were only pretending to be gay by going to the extreme and having sex with other guys!
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There is something called a "Marriage of convenience".
Marriage of convenience "is a marriage contracted for reasons other than that of relationship, family, or love". Instead, such a marriage is orchestrated for personal gain or some other sort of strategic purpose, such as political marriage"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_of_convenience
For example, when twenty-six year old Anna Nicole Smith married the 89 year old billionaire oil tycoon. According to your definition this is not a heterosexual couple? Because likely she is only marrying the guy for his money, and according to you, money is not a legit reason to establish attraction ?
There is something called a "Marriage of convenience".
Marriage of convenience "is a marriage contracted for reasons other than that of relationship, family, or love". Instead, such a marriage is orchestrated for personal gain or some other sort of strategic purpose, such as political marriage"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_of_convenience
For example, when twenty-six year old Anna Nicole Smith married the 89 year old billionaire oil tycoon. According to your definition this is not a heterosexual couple? Because likely she is only marrying the guy for his money, and according to you, money is not a legit reason to establish attraction ?
Two people can be legally married, and not be a couple.
You've heard of that game "Marry, bang, kill" right?
Surely you understand that your own preferences aren't universal, right.
Interestingly, Aghogday mentioned spectrums before embarking on his metaphysical journey to Venus and beyond. Sexual attraction can broadly be broken down into two intersecting spectrums - emotional and physical attraction - with each represented to different degrees in different individuals, and with some interesting extremes. For example, there are a fair number of people who identify as "demisexual". Demisexuals are incapable of feeling sexually attracted to anyone they do not have a strong emotional bond with.
More extreme yet, there are some people who feel emotionally attracted to one sex, yet sexually attracted to the other.
I'm inclined to ask how you would envision your relationship with Amy Schumer. Is it safe to assume your desires are more of the "make love" variety rather than a desire to "give her one"?
A great deal of study has been done into the purpose of orgasms in social animals such as ourselves. It's generally accepted that orgasms exist primarily to reinforce the emotional bond between a male and female. Although the potential counter-argument that it's simply a 'reward' for fulfilling your biological purpose has some merit, the two are not mutually exclusive.
What were their grounds for disagreement?
There isn't a day that goes by that i don't regret not dumping her right that moment.
Aye, it's an alarmingly common experience.
I just don't see why it should matter if it's a choice or not.. People should be able to label themselves how they want and live their life how they choose. If it's not hurting anyone, or imposing on their rights, it isn't my business.
Completely agree with you here, JakJak. Any sexual encounter between two legally consenting people is nobody's business but their own.
There is something called a "Marriage of convenience".
Marriage of convenience "is a marriage contracted for reasons other than that of relationship, family, or love". Instead, such a marriage is orchestrated for personal gain or some other sort of strategic purpose, such as political marriage"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_of_convenience
For example, when twenty-six year old Anna Nicole Smith married the 89 year old billionaire oil tycoon. According to your definition this is not a heterosexual couple? Because likely she is only marrying the guy for his money, and according to you, money is not a legit reason to establish attraction ?
Well that would depend on whether you view money as part of a person's identity or as a separate entity to them. Was she attracted to him at all, or solely attracted to the wealth?
Two people can be legally married, and not be a couple.
True.
I expect we will see a lot of "gay couples" getting married who are not actually gay, or only one partner is gay, just so they can take advantage of government welfare benefits. These are "marriages of convenience". As I noted earlier, I have seen it happen in the military so soldiers could get kicked out.
So, people will *choose to be gay* for financial reasons.
I sure this happens much for heterosexual couples too.
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There is something called a "Marriage of convenience".
Marriage of convenience "is a marriage contracted for reasons other than that of relationship, family, or love". Instead, such a marriage is orchestrated for personal gain or some other sort of strategic purpose, such as political marriage"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_of_convenience
For example, when twenty-six year old Anna Nicole Smith married the 89 year old billionaire oil tycoon. According to your definition this is not a heterosexual couple? Because likely she is only marrying the guy for his money, and according to you, money is not a legit reason to establish attraction ?
You twisted everything I said around. Considering that both Anna and the old guy were straight and married to each other they were a heterosexual couple. Neither one was gay and just "being straight" for the marriage. However, I doubt she was romantically attracted to him even though she was attracted to his money.
I'm well aware of what a marriage of convenience is, but being in one doesn't make one gay or straight. It simply makes one married.
I also never said money wasn't legit for attraction but being attracted to a guy only for his money is nothing like actually being attracted to somebody for typical attraction.
I never said that somebody can't choose to live either a gay or straight lifestyle if they are the opposite orientation, I simply said that doing so won't change their orientation, they will still be gay or straight.
Anna Nicole was a gold digger. There are plenty of those out there. That doesn't mean most women are though. While a guy having a lot of money is always a nice bonus, it's usually not the main factor. For some girls it is, and the most important. For others it's very important and they wouldn't date a guy who didn't have at least enough to make them middle class, and for some it doesn't matter at all. My husband comes from money but he doesn't have any himself and we won't get that until his mother dies, and even then there is no telling how it's all tied up to give my SIL the actual control over it. I didn't know that his parents had money until after we had dated for a long time and were in love. It didn't matter to me either way though. He was a construction worker and I was aware that he wasn't ever going to be raking in the cash, but I loved him not an idea of money. Before I dated him I had dated a guy who was in the group of friends that I hung out with and who was a nice guy but I just wasn't attracted to him romantically. He was also really rich and had fallen for me. I went out with him for a while thinking that because we were good friends and got along and I liked him that I would develop a romantic attraction to him, but I didn't. I also didn't feel right dating him when I didn't like him that way and just because he had money. My mother had a fit when I told her I was going to break up with him, but she got over it. Money wasn't the most important thing at all.
So, I don't know how you misinterpreted what I said to get the ideas you got about what my position is, but I hope I've cleared things up now.
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Two people can be legally married, and not be a couple.
True.
I expect we will see a lot of "gay couples" getting married who are not actually gay, or only one partner is gay, just so they can take advantage of government welfare benefits. These are "marriages of convenience". As I noted earlier, I have seen it happen in the military so soldiers could get kicked out.
So, people will *choose to be gay* for financial reasons.
I sure this happens much for heterosexual couples too.
The subject is 'choosing to be gay'. Not 'choosing to pretend to be gay for personal gain'.
Not the same thing.
Pretending to be gay to get kicked out of the army is not the same thing as really being gay.
Sexual abuse histories are sadly very common in women regardless of orientation. I've heard that around 25-30% of women have suffered some kind of sexual abuse, the vast majority at the hands of men. So just because there's a lot of lesbians who were abused doesn't mean there's any correlation between abuse and being a lesbian.
As for denying 'viciously', well, it gets pretty annoying to be told over and over that sexual abuse made you a lesbian when you're certain it didn't.

