The Zeitgeist Movement: Any questions?

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Wow, you guys are pretty vindictive for what is supposed to be a support site...

Someone shows up with some earnest effort towards sharing information that could lead to positive change in our world for ALL people, and in reply some of you try to beat him into the ground. Ever wonder if you're not a key part of our collective social ails?

As for "the goal of activism", it's never about trying to change people's minds or "getting converts"... that is simplistic and counter-productive thinking.

It's about empowering people with information to make up their own mind; not fighting manipulation with more manipulation. That's like bombing for peace... or f#@*ing for virginity

Of course, some people simply don't want new information or to ever consider their views with any new facts; the very embodiment of "closed minded" & there is no point in discussing anything contrary to their views. IME, such behavior is typically the result of some fear-based thinking (as illustrated repeatedly here) and will play itself out.

Likely they will continue that way until some future point when they decide to expand their understanding & consider other perspectives. Meanwhile, others will be taking action to help their fellow human beings.

Cannot help but think what such people could accomplish if instead of tearing others down, they spent their time empowering people.

Something to think about perhaps.

Interesting. Janissy considers herself NT. "Normal." She has a daughter who is AS and has come to love our community after coming here in a search for information.

This statement is a cope out: Maybe it had crossed your mind that I have provided information that satisfies, however since you have already made up your mind about it, and hense won't be swayed either way.

I admitted it when I moved behind a hard to defend position; your turn.

I'm not a fan of the way our members pull apart posts, either, but I've never blamed THEM for being too set in their ways et al; I've just chalked it up to personal differences and at some point posted, "sorry, you haven't changed my mind, and I'm not interested in continuing this debate." You know, the live and let live thing?

And you failed to address Janissy's point about the lurking readers. Those undecided folks who aren't posting. Have you given up on them?

As for this: Just remember your behaviour shows you as nothing better than pseudo-intellectual vultures, motivated only to pick anything you disagree with apart for your own satisfaction.

Isn't that kind of the whole point (to play vulture when one enters a debate forum)? And aren't we all pseudo-intellectuals in some way? We all like to believe we've got the next great idea that will change the world, or that everything would be so much better if the government would just listen to "me," but most of us don't do much to seriously test our theories, and most of us don't become acknowledged experts or even commentators. A radio show doesn't necessisarily make you any different; we're ALL playing to various degrees. Really; if you were serious you would have developed an answer for each and every question, and you would be willing to repeat it 1,000 times if need be. Takes a lot of spine and a lot of dedication, doesn't it? So, most of us don't have that ... so be it. We play around with our ideas in places like this to sharpen our minds and share our ideas mostly in mediums that play to friendly audiences. That is all within the realm of what "people" do. Take it for what it is, don't make more from it than there needs to be, and get from it what you can that is useful. You've got your platform for your project; what you see from members here is stuff you can use to sharpen your points. Make lemonade.

If someone wants to inform, they don't post on a debate board. This is Wrong Planet's acknowledged debate board; it isn't realistic to ask people to check their own and contrasting opinions at the door.

DW, would it be possible then to have a second religion/philosophy board that was not a debate board but had a more gentle astmosphere. I know lots of others on wp who like these subjects but dont talk about them as here is so vile and there is not another subforum where its appropriate to share about religion/philosophy in a more gentle manner.