The Saul Alinsky Disease

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The GOP has always had less registered voters than the Democrats so I don't think that means much. I think an interesting poll was the Gallup one they did one ideological identification. Off the top of my head I believe only 20% of American identified as liberal while 40% identified as conservative with the rest being "moderates". I reject what you're saying about the voter turnout being so low, it was about the same as 2006. It'll be higher in 2012 since it it's a presidential election but Obama's grand coalition isn't coming back. I think you'd be better served saying the democrats lost because of the high unemployment rather than low turnout.

Most of the democrats that lost this cycle were the conservative and moderate democrats that won office in the in democrat wave years. I don't see the democrats making many overtures to get those voters back like Clinton's triangulation did in 96. I think voters will likely be looking to stick it the establishment once again and I don't see the democrats offering much of an alternative in that regard.

Now there could be a ton of game changers but there is pretty much 0 chance the Democrats retain the senate or to recapture the house. I think the GOP would have to essentially beat themselves to lose to Obama in 2012.(nominating Sarah Palin or a third party revolt against an establishment candidate.) As for impeachment, I don't really think that would necessarily backfire if it was merited by Obama doing something really illegal and not just lying about banging some intern.

Hannity likely didn't make mention of Alinsky's influence on the Tea Partisans.

I think he did, in fact tea partiers got the book saying that it was time to study up on Democrat tactics, and beat the Dems at their own game.

@ Master_Pedant

Only difference is we don't need to use lies. We see through your class warfare, your side's lies, etc.

The fact that all we have to do is point out how you have abused power, the elitism, etc. and the beauty of it all, we only have to tell the truth.

Yeah, like the "truth" that Obama was born in Kenya or the "truth" that Obama didn't cut taxes for most Americans. The Con-Artists of the GOP work in distortions and lies, pure 'n simple.

If the DLCocrat Establishment actually decided to base their campaign on "class warfare" or working class populism rather than the incoherent, feckless strategy the Centrecrats push, the Democrats would have supermajorities in both the Senate and House.

:lol:

Get your facts straight, that rumor was started by Hillary supporters, not conservatives.

Nearly all liberals, as well as a few misguided conservatives, have sought to dismiss the "birther" movement as the product of right-wing ret*ds barking up the wrong tree.

However, the entire issue of Barack Obama's eligibility was brought to the fore by lawyers acting on behalf of Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200910071521 ... story.html

@ marshall

The source isn't lieing, it says the guy was acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton. That doesn't mean she asked this guy to do so. He was a Hillary supporter though, and a staunch liberal.

Don't give me that. Your source was trying to give the false impression that Berg was somehow working for Hillary, or at least campaigning for her. He did neither.

All I said was it was Hillary supporters, the guy was a Hillary supporter, even if he didn't work for her campaign. Stop arguing semantics.

I don't understand the demonizing of Alinsky personally, but then again I don't care much about the source of an idea so long as it works. The whole focus on him strikes me as a red herring and lazy, especially in such a target rich environment as modern American politics where there are so many legitimate criticisms to make.

When evaluating a politician (or anyone for that matter) knowing where he is getting his ideas from is often helpful. Since Obama is a spiritual son of Saul Alinsky I assume two things about Obama:

1. He is basically anti-business
2. Being a political pragmatist he is nearly devoid of principle. Staying in power and creating a "legacy" are his main priorities.

Seeing how he folded to the Republican on the matter of tax convinces me of #2. I am semi amused at the pain and anguish of the Pinko Stinko True Believer Liberals who thought Obama was the Second Coming of the Messiah. Truly they must be disappointed.

ruveyn

after the Southern Strategy stopped working

Get your facts straight, that rumor was started by Hillary supporters, not conservatives.

Nearly all liberals, as well as a few misguided conservatives, have sought to dismiss the "birther" movement as the product of right-wing ret*ds barking up the wrong tree.

However, the entire issue of Barack Obama's eligibility was brought to the fore by lawyers acting on behalf of Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200910071521 ... story.html

They made the mistake of going after average Americans in their demonization strategy. I don't think anyone will believe the Dems to give the time of day accurately.