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16 Feb 2011, 3:07 pm

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Why would someone have a problem with him being on the spectrum? Fact is fact.

Because people don't want "bad" people to be associated with themselves, while claim people to be like themselves when it isn't necessarily true, to make themselves feel better. For example, people claiming that successful people like Einstein and Bill Gates are aspies. :P

I'd like to posit that some sociopaths want to be caught. Sure there are stupid ones of us, but some are very intelligent; like yours truly. :wink:


I certainly have nothing against sociopaths that don't hurt people. I just don't get why someone would pretend one doesn't ALSO fall under a label they happen to fall under. Then again, I'm not big on lying.


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16 Feb 2011, 3:09 pm

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Why would someone have a problem with him being on the spectrum? Fact is fact.

Because people don't want "bad" people to be associated with themselves, while claim people to be like themselves when it isn't necessarily true, to make themselves feel better. For example, people claiming that successful people like Einstein and Bill Gates are aspies. :P

I'd like to posit that some sociopaths want to be caught. Sure there are stupid ones of us, but some are very intelligent; like yours truly. :wink:


I just don't get why someone would pretend one doesn't ALSO fall under a label they happen to fall under.

Well, I just explained it to you. :P



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16 Feb 2011, 3:10 pm

You did, and I get that. I just don't understand *why*. lol


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16 Feb 2011, 3:16 pm

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There is multiple reasons why someone could go on a killing spree in a school.

1. Sociopath
2. Unable to distinguish reality from fantasy.
3. Brainwashing -- as in the case of many suicide bombers
4. Pushed way too far by bullies over the course of monthes even years -- more often these individuals commit suicide
5. Gang related


So again there are multiple possible reasons.


This is true, but again many of those can (and often do) fall under sociopathy.
What are you talking about? #2 is insanity, #3 can be insanity or a clusterf**k of cognitive distortions which verge on insanity, #4 is vengeance, and #5 is a way of life.

Do you know what sociopathy is or do you just think it's a vague term for anyone who is crazy or weird and has violent tendencies? Sociopathy is a clinically defined term.



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16 Feb 2011, 3:22 pm

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What are you talking about? #2 is insanity, #3 can be insanity or a clusterf**k of cognitive distortions which verge on insanity, #4 is vengeance, and #5 is a way of life.

Do you know what sociopathy is or do you just think it's a vague term for anyone who is crazy or weird and has violent tendencies? Sociopathy is a clinically defined term.


I know all too well what a sociopath can be capable of.

2... Sociopaths can be insane, too.

3... As I have said earlier in this thread, sociopaths often prey on the weaker willed. This includes brainwashing someone.

4... What... so sociopaths can't feel a need for vengeance?

5... I never said they ALL fell under sociopathy.

Perhaps you should read the thread in it's entirety before jumping to the end and assuming I don't know what I'm talking about.


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16 Feb 2011, 3:45 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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What are you talking about? #2 is insanity, #3 can be insanity or a clusterf**k of cognitive distortions which verge on insanity, #4 is vengeance, and #5 is a way of life.

Do you know what sociopathy is or do you just think it's a vague term for anyone who is crazy or weird and has violent tendencies? Sociopathy is a clinically defined term.


I know all too well what a sociopath can be capable of.

2... Sociopaths can be insane, too.

3... As I have said earlier in this thread, sociopaths often prey on the weaker willed. This includes brainwashing someone.

4... What... so sociopaths can't feel a need for vengeance?

5... I never said they ALL fell under sociopathy.

Perhaps you should read the thread in it's entirety before jumping to the end and assuming I don't know what I'm talking about.
They can be comorbid, but they don't necessarily fall under sociopathy. It's like saying depression falls under Asperger's. And Inuyasha is talking about them being brainwashed, not them brainwashing others.



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16 Feb 2011, 3:52 pm

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They can be comorbid, but they don't necessarily fall under sociopathy. It's like saying depression falls under Asperger's. And Inuyasha is talking about them being brainwashed, not them brainwashing others.


Perhaps I chose my words poorly. I meant that sociopaths can fall under most of the things listed. At the very least, play a part in it... such as the suicide bomber that was brainwashed by a sociopath.

Completely separating them all into different categories and suggesting sociopaths can't overlap is just ignorance on the subject.


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16 Feb 2011, 3:57 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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They can be comorbid, but they don't necessarily fall under sociopathy. It's like saying depression falls under Asperger's. And Inuyasha is talking about them being brainwashed, not them brainwashing others.


Perhaps I chose my words poorly. I meant that sociopaths can fall under most of the things listed. At the very least, play a part in it... such as the suicide bomber that was brainwashed by a sociopath.

Completely separating them all into different categories and suggesting sociopaths can't overlap is just ignorance on the subject.
Oh ok I got you now. He put em in different categories cuz they're different causes, not to imply that these different causes can't interact with each other.



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16 Feb 2011, 3:59 pm

Ah... okay. Then I don't disagree with his list. :-P


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16 Feb 2011, 5:03 pm

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Yes, actually, it does.


No. Actually it doesnt.

A sociopath is someone who is adept at exploiting others for his own benifit and feels no remorse.

The ultimate sociopath would be Bernie Madoff.

Those words are from someone who cant win anyone over for friendship, nor to give him the time of day, nor for anything.

If anything hes the polar opposite of a sociopath.



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16 Feb 2011, 6:27 pm

MCalavera wrote:
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Yes, actually, it does.


Because sociopaths are known for committing themselves to future generations of the weak?


No, but they are well known to lie for no good reason other than to cause anguish.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial ... sorder#DSM

mentions nothing of that, nor does the criticism section.


What part of

deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;

did you not notice?


For personal profit or pleasure is not the same as for causing anguish.

EDIT: @Earl All but the first of his points have no inherent tie to sociopaths.



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16 Feb 2011, 6:35 pm

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For personal profit or pleasure is not the same as for causing anguish.


Causing anguish can be for one's own pleasure. You've never lived with a real narcissist, have you?



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16 Feb 2011, 6:42 pm

Causing anguish can be for one's own pleasure.

My thoughts, exactly.


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16 Feb 2011, 7:31 pm

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For personal profit or pleasure is not the same as for causing anguish.


Causing anguish can be for one's own pleasure. You've never lived with a real narcissist, have you?


>.< now your just being difficult, can be is not always, which is what your response implied. No I have encountered them but I haven't been in a situation where tolerating their presence is necessary.



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16 Feb 2011, 7:32 pm

Try having a sociopath for a parent.


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