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Seriously????
FYI, yes, it's about control and power. It's not some poor sexually frustrated guy who just can't control himself anymore and has to have it. Jesus.
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Seriously????
FYI, yes, it's about control and power. It's not some poor sexually frustrated guy who just can't control himself anymore and has to have it. Jesus.
mox is correct. In fact, rape can even be committed with an object, and can be committed by women as well as men.
Seriously????
FYI, yes, it's about control and power. It's not some poor sexually frustrated guy who just can't control himself anymore and has to have it. Jesus.
Sorry if I offended. I do think it's more complicated than that (someone that desperate for sex can just hire a hooker or whatever right?) but to say it has NOTHING to do with sex is just a politically correct thing to say. of course it stems in part from sexual frustration. As for the some people 'just being evil' thing - how do you draw the line between evil and mental illness? Do personality disorders not count as a sickness but delusional disorders do? Personally I think evil is just a word we use for a harmful kind of mental illness that affects some people.
BTW I'm very sorry about what happened to you. Hope you continue to get better, don't let anyone tell you you are ruined!
I understand how you get to that concept, but let me explain why it's mistaken.
If someone steals $20 from me, it's worse than if someone steals $10 from me. However, that doesn't mean that if someone steals $20 from me, I'm better off having another $10 stolen.
My own opinion on relative evil: just as there's a broad range of what constitutes "murder", there's a broad range of what constitutes "rape". An adult having sex with a willing 17 year old is rape, but to my mind it isn't as bad as murder. I grant that some rapes may be worse than some murders. On the original topic, I don't really consider forcible child rape to be worse than forcible rape of an adult; the age shouldn't matter. For whatever reason, though, people like to think that all kids are innocent and wonderful - false - and victimization of children is particularly "bad to think".
We (society) do legally have a scale of which crimes are worse. I guess if, based on the average punishment, the ranking would be as follows:
* Genocide.
* Massive Murder
* Massive Rape / Torture
* Murder
* Rape / Torture
* Drug dealing
* Grand theft
* Theft
* Vandalism
* Adultery
Or something like that.
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This has actually come to me personally today - a friend of mine (an online friend, but dear to me nonetheless) confided in me she has been sexually abused for 3 years from age 13 to 16. I don't really know what to do - I'm afraid she is going to hurt herself. I want her to feel assured and try to convince her happier times are ahead, what can I do?
mox
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Trying to convince her happier times are ahead makes you feel better, but doesn't help her - not at this moment. That comes later.
I suggest a site like rainn.org for you to get more information for yourself and for her.
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I think the ranking of the crime depends a lot on the individual circumstances. Some rapes are worse than some murders, and vice-versa. Any time there's an element of deliberate torture, it's pretty effing bad.
One problem is that rapists tend to be serial criminals, and murders are more likely to be one-ofs.
To the extent that I ponder things like a hierarchy of heinous crimes, I like to apply a simple justification test to the criminal acts. For example, I can easily justify theft to avoid starving, or injuring or even killing someone in self defense. There are some strange grey areas, like in my personal moral universe torturing someone for information is slightly less bad than torturing someone for fun, but generally the principle holds me in good stead. Rape falls into the unambiguous cannot ever be justified category, and so at least for me personally causes more of an outraged reaction than even murder does. Murder I can justify (of rapists, for example).
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They may both be bad, but they are also VERY different (both the actual act AND the effects).
WHAT!! !?!?!?! erm...I'm not sure about that one...unless the adult is not consenting, of course.
No.
This.
That's complete nonsense for a start - some rapes are worse than others, just as some assaults are worse than others, just as some murders are worse than others.
Would you see being made to have sex with someone you went out on a date with but where force wasn't used or would you see being aducted, viciously beaten, raped and sodomised (possibly including internal bleeding) for hours by a gang of violent strangers as worse?
Different crimes need different punishments. Neither of the above two are 'good' but one is clearly more serious than the other.
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I have actually known a few victims of child sexual abuse. Firstly, the cases I am talking about here were either violent or under other abusive conditions. All of them suffer from panic disorder, and a few of them tend to engage in self-harming behavior. I understand that this is common in victims of child sexual abuse (CSA).
However, I understand that children who have childhood bipolar disorder tend to have drastically altered sexualities, and these weirdo cases should not under any circumstances be judged according to a kind of abstract "morality" that is clunky and impervious to actual reality. Such weirdo cases invariably pose gray areas that should be handled delicately and by someone who is an expert at making helpful determinations in such complex cases.
Therefore, we need to be firm in general against our rejection of CSA, but as with all aspects of our society we must try our best to continue thinking clearly when we are presented with cases that offer complexities that are not being taken into account in our generalized reactions. When there is uncertainty, we should abstain from making our own judgments and have faith our legal system and community fabric to form a reaction that is meaningful in the specific case with which we have been presented. In general, though, I think that our reaction to CSA is perfectly appropriate based on the consequences of it that I have witnessed.
Rape in general, though, is an absolutely unacceptable crime because it is a form of assault that is designed to degrade and devalue another human being as well as anything that might be connected with him or her. It is in some ways worse than murder because murder at the very least can spare the victim a certain degree of dignity. We must not ever allow rape to be considered to be an acceptable behavior because it degrades and devalues our entire society, not just the victim, when this crime is committed. Sexual assault on even the most shunned and disliked person in the world is an assault on all of us.