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15 Dec 2011, 4:52 pm

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I seem to have gotten MUCH more calculated and logical as I got older and went through life experiences, but I have also always had a big imagination. It's kind of a weird combination.


It's not a weird combination at all, it's only weird if you find everything about Autists weird and paradoxical.


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15 Dec 2011, 5:56 pm

I see Aspies here who seem to be ruled by their emotions AND the logical, Spock type that is the popular depiction.

As far as male-brained, goes, ASFAIK the majority of (diagnosed) autistics do have a 2D4D ratio that indicates a prenatal masculinization of the brain.

I am female and have the male ration, but aside from being Spock-like in some aspects. I'm feminine in other ways.



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15 Dec 2011, 5:56 pm

I think "interesting" was the more correct word I should have used. It's "weird" to NTs which is probably why I used that word instead, but if I was able to choose my personality I wouldn't have it any other way.



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15 Dec 2011, 5:58 pm

I see Aspies here who seem to be ruled by their emotions AND the logical, Spock type that is the popular depiction.

As far as male-brained, goes, ASFAIK the majority of (diagnosed) autistics do have a 2D4D ratio that indicates a prenatal masculinization of the brain.

I am female and have the male ratio, but aside from being Spock-like in some aspects. I'm feminine in other ways.



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15 Dec 2011, 5:59 pm

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I see Aspies here who seem to be ruled by their emotions AND the logical, Spock type that is the popular depiction.

As far as male-brained, goes, ASFAIK the majority of (diagnosed) autistics do have a 2D4D ratio that indicates a prenatal masculinization of the brain.

I am female and have the male ration, but aside from being Spock-like in some aspects. I'm feminine in other ways.


I know that I definitely have the male brain thing going on. I've always been masculine, even with my body language and mannerisms. Probably why I'm unintentionally offending female NTs so often.



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15 Dec 2011, 6:10 pm

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I see Aspies here who seem to be ruled by their emotions AND the logical, Spock type that is the popular depiction.

As far as male-brained, goes, ASFAIK the majority of (diagnosed) autistics do have a 2D4D ratio that indicates a prenatal masculinization of the brain.

I am female and have the male ration, but aside from being Spock-like in some aspects. I'm feminine in other ways.


I think male/female brain is just a load of BS.


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15 Dec 2011, 7:11 pm

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Research says we don't daydream? WTF!? Someone should fire all those ignorant researchers before they ruin everything with their ignorance.


The research says that when autistic brains are idle, a part of the brain that lights up with activity in NTs does not light up with activity. So the conclusion - which is not actually stated in the research in question - that got spread all over the media was that this was daydreaming, and since autistic brains don't do this, autistic brains don't daydream. BBC and Reuters reported the story this way, and it was not a "semantic-pragmatic error" on my part when I was trying to find out what the story was all about.


My point is that it was a "semantic-pragmatic error" of (almost) everybody, not yours; and you confirmed my point - BBC, Reuters, etc interpreted the paper in a way that was not intended by the authors.

One of the few articles that did not commit that error (but using a language that can make readers commit the error):

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/43418.php



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15 Dec 2011, 7:50 pm

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Research says we don't daydream? WTF!? Someone should fire all those ignorant researchers before they ruin everything with their ignorance.


The research says that when autistic brains are idle, a part of the brain that lights up with activity in NTs does not light up with activity. So the conclusion - which is not actually stated in the research in question - that got spread all over the media was that this was daydreaming, and since autistic brains don't do this, autistic brains don't daydream. BBC and Reuters reported the story this way, and it was not a "semantic-pragmatic error" on my part when I was trying to find out what the story was all about.


My point is that it was a "semantic-pragmatic error" of (almost) everybody, not yours; and you confirmed my point - BBC, Reuters, etc interpreted the paper in a way that was not intended by the authors.

One of the few articles that did not commit that error (but using a language that can make readers commit the error):

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/43418.php


Ok, that's better, but I still don't like how they are trying to assume what we are thinking. I could say NTs are the ones with repetitive thoughts as they keep thinking about themselves, socialiIzing, their place in the social structure, ect. why I think about all kinds of things, games, imaginary worlds, theoretical mathematics, imaginary conversations, stories, ect. though there is little bit of repetitiveness, I give them that much. I also dislike the questions at the end of the article, I don't want your cure, thank you very much.


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15 Dec 2011, 7:51 pm

Also, my mind tends to wander a bit even when I'm supposed to be doing a task, which slows me down.


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15 Dec 2011, 8:21 pm

I'm highly logical. I always have been. It's a good thing.


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15 Dec 2011, 8:44 pm

OMFG I JUST HAD A CHAIN OF EPIPHANIES!

1. Its is impossible to truly know how an autistic or an NT thinks as its impossible to live in both worlds. Therefor it is impossible to say to figure out if one is better or not, not for living, but feels better, or something, more on that later. A number of problems from autism simply come from an inability to connect with NTs, and social mistreat given to autists from NTs.

2. I've heard that only autists can have vivid imaginations in moving pictures, and I've also heard that that's the greatest gift in existence, and I agree. I believe that even if autism could be cured the effects would be detrimental: the positive effects from being NT would not come as it is simply too late, and all the positive effects of autism would be lost. Of course, the only way to figure this out would be to have a temporary cure for autism, then it would be possible to live both worlds and come to a proper conclusion.

3. If Autism is caused by sensory overload, then curing it would be like inducing color blindness. Those who have seen color cannot stand living without it; only those who were born blind can stand the darkness.

4. I've figured out why my thoughts are sometimes repetitive, psychologically, not neurologically. The first part is due to short term memory, I sometimes need to think over something over and over in order to store it to my incredible long term memory comfortably. The second part is related, I don't like tihngs falling out of memory, so the repetitive thoughts are for comfort, bringing it out of long term memory as its familiarity brings comfort and keeping it in active memory brings comfort with the strength of my memory, also for things more mathematically repetitive the repeating them is comfort as its problem solving and mental labor, which is entertaining and comforting.

Really I knew all of these for quite some time, it just really clicked now.


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15 Dec 2011, 9:41 pm

Verdandi wrote:
TPE2 wrote:
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Like the research that says we don't daydream.


Research says we don't daydream? WTF!? Someone should fire all those ignorant researchers before they ruin everything with their ignorance.


Not eaxactly. There is a research paper saying "autistic people don't daydream like other people", with the intention of saying "autistic people don't daydream like other people" (with the sense of "autistic people daydream in a way different from other people"); however, many people only read the title of the article and interpreted as "autistic people don't daydream like other people" (in the sense of "unlike other people, autistic people don't daydream"). It was a problem of "semantic-pragmatic disorder" applied to the title of the article.


I completely disagree with your interpretation. I tracked down multiple articles to see how this was discussed and how autistic people were described, and it ranged from "autistic people don't daydream" to "autistic people daydream less than neurotypicals." There was very little elaboration of "autistic people don't daydream like other people" and when there was, it was mostly about how autistic people likely just look at things in the environment like calendars.

http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060508/ ... 508-3.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4751075.stm - This one is titled Autistic Brains Never Daydream. Reuters had one with the same title, but I can't find the story now.
http://news.healingwell.com/index.php?p=news1&id=532579
http://news.change.org/stories/creativi ... ative-play - This points out that the study is not about daydreaming, but that it was reported as such.


What is daydreaming?



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15 Dec 2011, 9:56 pm

The simple answer is: because some are.

I can think logically but I can also at times be overtaken by emotions. I actually do suppress my emotions and and become this bland type of rational thinking person, much like the Vulcans do.


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16 Dec 2011, 12:43 am

marshall wrote:
What is daydreaming?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daydream



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16 Dec 2011, 1:17 am

Pertaining to this whole topic. I'm both logical and emotional. I'm good at math, not talented but good enough. But Im still rather emotional. I'm not really creative. I think its hard to classify all autistics into a huge lump. There are numerous types of autistic brains out there.

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1. Its is impossible to truly know how an autistic or an NT thinks as its impossible to live in both worlds. Therefor it is impossible to say to figure out if one is better or not, not for living, but feels better, or something, more on that later. A number of problems from autism simply come from an inability to connect with NTs, and social mistreat given to autists from NTs.


I think there are people who border between autistic and NT so they can go back and forth between worlds and sorta translate.

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2. I've heard that only autists can have vivid imaginations in moving pictures, and I've also heard that that's the greatest gift in existence, and I agree. I believe that even if autism could be cured the effects would be detrimental: the positive effects from being NT would not come as it is simply too late, and all the positive effects of autism would be lost. Of course, the only way to figure this out would be to have a temporary cure for autism, then it would be possible to live both worlds and come to a proper conclusion.


Yeah the theory Temple Grandin stated. I have imagination in moving pictures to an extent. I can create an image in my head but its not in full detail. Grandin described three types of possible brains, visual, pattern(can do math well), and verbal. Im a combo of visual and pattern thinker. Good but not gifted in either.

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3. If Autism is caused by sensory overload, then curing it would be like inducing color blindness. Those who have seen color cannot stand living without it; only those who were born blind can stand the darkness.


I dont believe autism is caused by sensory overload. If it is, then I don't have aspergers. I don't have sensory issues, or very very very mild. I might as well have the new DSM label social communications disorder.


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16 Dec 2011, 9:44 am

One last reason for repetitive thoughts: thinking of special interests provides comfort and entertainment.


I don't think Autism is caused by sensory overload either, but they do have a connection. My sensory issues aren't too bad, but I do have some.


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