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17 Sep 2012, 2:09 am

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Isn't autism per definition found in schizophrenia as autism originally was defined as a symptom in schizophrenia, by which I do not want to say that every autistic person has schizophrenia, but - and I am not sure with this guess - that every schizophrenic person has autistic traits, which might lead to not diagnosing the autism seperately if there is a case of schizophrenia.
I have also read that if you are diagnosed with autism, a comorbid AD(H)D leaves undiagnosed as being a part of the autism. It maybe different if first the AD(H)D is diagnosed and the autism later?
Maybe sometimes it depends on what is found and diagnosed first if you get some particular comorbidities or added conditions diagnosed as well or elsewise they are just been recognized as a part of the autism?

I'm an example of "was diagnosed adhd first then asd later"-- I received my ADHD diagnosis at age 10 (in 1994), then was diagnosed AS at age 17 (in 2001).



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17 Sep 2012, 3:02 am

Eloa wrote:
Isn't autism per definition found in schizophrenia as autism originally was defined as a symptom in schizophrenia, by which I do not want to say that every autistic person has schizophrenia, but - and I am not sure with this guess - that every schizophrenic person has autistic traits, which might lead to not diagnosing the autism seperately if there is a case of schizophrenia.


The negative symptoms of schizophrenia are nearly identical with autism. They are just more mild in most cases, than autistic symptoms. The positive symptoms in schizophrenia are more severe in most cases.
And also autistic people can can paranoied or slightly psychotic under too much stress.
They are also related genetically.

I have mild PTSD and every year around the time of aniversary of the trauma I get psychotic like symptoms and I also can get nearly paranoied under too much stress. But I do not have schizophrenia.


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17 Sep 2012, 5:16 pm

Raziel wrote:
Eloa wrote:
Isn't autism per definition found in schizophrenia as autism originally was defined as a symptom in schizophrenia, by which I do not want to say that every autistic person has schizophrenia, but - and I am not sure with this guess - that every schizophrenic person has autistic traits, which might lead to not diagnosing the autism seperately if there is a case of schizophrenia.


The negative symptoms of schizophrenia are nearly identical with autism. They are just more mild in most cases, than autistic symptoms. The positive symptoms in schizophrenia are more severe in most cases.
And also autistic people can can paranoied or slightly psychotic under too much stress.
They are also related genetically.

I have mild PTSD and every year around the time of aniversary of the trauma I get psychotic like symptoms and I also can get nearly paranoied under too much stress. But I do not have schizophrenia.


The negative symptoms are the ones I refer to, but I should have pointed it out.
Thank you for doing it.
I do not mean that you have schizophrenia, what I meant is that someone with schizophrenia has likely autistic traits as well, but I see now that I didn't word it in a clear enough way.
I do not react well under too much stress as well and get the feeling of "loosing touch with reality" in a way.
If you get psychotic symptoms on the anniversary of the trauma I think your PTBS is quite severe and not that mild.
I heard of a therapy called EMDR which seems to work well on trauma, maybe you can check it out.


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17 Sep 2012, 8:42 pm

Well, now I confirmed that information. :D

Eloa wrote:
If you get psychotic symptoms on the anniversary of the trauma I think your PTBS is quite severe and not that mild.
I heard of a therapy called EMDR which seems to work well on trauma, maybe you can check it out.


Yes I heard about EMDR. :D
I looked some videos about it and I want to find a trauma specialist.

It's possible that my (are you from Germany by the way?) PTSD is more severe than I think it is, but even then for me I get easyer along with it, when I refer to them as "mild". :lol:
:oops:

But I'm reading an interesting article (click) , saying that psychotic symptoms and PTSD are related to each other in some cases:

"The volume of studies with reasonable sample sizes and conservatice definitions of abuse that have replicated findings in this area suggest that a relationship does exist between trauma and psychosis for some people."

Thinking about the fact, that ASD and schizophrenia are related to each other, it actually makes sence to me that I react that way. 8O


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18 Sep 2012, 3:17 pm

Raziel wrote:
Well, now I confirmed that information. :D

Eloa wrote:
If you get psychotic symptoms on the anniversary of the trauma I think your PTBS is quite severe and not that mild.
I heard of a therapy called EMDR which seems to work well on trauma, maybe you can check it out.


Yes I heard about EMDR. :D
I looked some videos about it and I want to find a trauma specialist.

It's possible that my (are you from Germany by the way?) PTSD is more severe than I think it is, but even then for me I get easyer along with it, when I refer to them as "mild". :lol:
:oops:

I am from Germany.

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But I'm reading an interesting article (click) , saying that psychotic symptoms and PTSD are related to each other in some cases:

"The volume of studies with reasonable sample sizes and conservatice definitions of abuse that have replicated findings in this area suggest that a relationship does exist between trauma and psychosis for some people."

I cannot open this link somehow.

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Thinking about the fact, that ASD and schizophrenia are related to each other, it actually makes sence to me that I react that way. 8O

Now I read in this forum here, that they are not related, but just the opposites...with the negative symptoms being nearly identical to autism there should be some relation somehow.


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18 Sep 2012, 6:10 pm

Eloa wrote:
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But I'm reading an interesting article (click) , saying that psychotic symptoms and PTSD are related to each other in some cases:

"The volume of studies with reasonable sample sizes and conservatice definitions of abuse that have replicated findings in this area suggest that a relationship does exist between trauma and psychosis for some people."

I cannot open this link somehow.


Strange, I works when I try to open it! :?
(But it takes a while)

But you can also look into this:
Psychose, Dissoziation und Trauma (in German ;) ) (click)
But I actually prefer the frist text, who is in english...!

Eloa wrote:
Now I read in this forum here, that they are not related, but just the opposites...with the negative symptoms being nearly identical to autism there should be some relation somehow.


Study Links Autism, Bipolar, and Schizophrenia (click) :D


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18 Sep 2012, 6:18 pm

Raziel wrote:
Eloa wrote:
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But I'm reading an interesting article (click) , saying that psychotic symptoms and PTSD are related to each other in some cases:

"The volume of studies with reasonable sample sizes and conservatice definitions of abuse that have replicated findings in this area suggest that a relationship does exist between trauma and psychosis for some people."

I cannot open this link somehow.


Strange, I works when I try to open it! :?
(But it takes a while)

Maybe I did not wait long enough as I thought it just blocked.

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Eloa wrote:
Now I read in this forum here, that they are not related, but just the opposites...with the negative symptoms being nearly identical to autism there should be some relation somehow.


Study Links Autism, Bipolar, and Schizophrenia (click) :D

Interesting, thank you!


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