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23 Nov 2012, 10:20 am

How do you think? is it all in images and never an inner speech? what do you do/see everyday generally (assuming that's generally what you think about).

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23 Nov 2012, 7:20 pm

It depends on the person. There are different kinds of dyslexia. For some, it's being a visuospatial thinker, for others it's the opposite - difficulty with visual things, including letters. In other cases it could be something else entirely.



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23 Nov 2012, 8:23 pm

Ettina wrote:
It depends on the person. There are different kinds of dyslexia. For some, it's being a visuospatial thinker, for others it's the opposite - difficulty with visual things, including letters. In other cases it could be something else entirely.


i thought it's dyslexia means unable to actually see words/2d symbols (clearly) . so not stupidity ie just being unable to understand them but actually seeing the visual of them properly due to disorientation process. and not to do with just having general poor sight or being easily distracted by background noise - i'm referring to the ones who get letter reversal and words sliding about on the page.

'A common misconception about dyslexia is that dyslexic readers write words backwards or move letters around when reading – this only occurs in a very small population of dyslexic readers' - from the wiki. these are the people i'm hoping to ask and i understand they only have difficulty with 2d visuospatial ie symbols on a page, letters (actually the difficulty is caused by their amazing visual spatial perception)



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24 Nov 2012, 2:51 am

LearningTime wrote:
Ettina wrote:
It depends on the person. There are different kinds of dyslexia. For some, it's being a visuospatial thinker, for others it's the opposite - difficulty with visual things, including letters. In other cases it could be something else entirely.


i thought it's dyslexia means unable to actually see words/2d symbols (clearly) . so not stupidity ie just being unable to understand them but actually seeing the visual of them properly due to disorientation process. and not to do with just having general poor sight or being easily distracted by background noise - i'm referring to the ones who get letter reversal and words sliding about on the page.

'A common misconception about dyslexia is that dyslexic readers write words backwards or move letters around when reading – this only occurs in a very small population of dyslexic readers' - from the wiki. these are the people i'm hoping to ask and i understand they only have difficulty with 2d visuospatial ie symbols on a page, letters (actually the difficulty is caused by their amazing visual spatial perception)


My understanding of dyslexia is that 15% or less of dyslexia is visual processing problems i.e. letter reversal etc., the majority is phonological dyslexia, or trouble decoding the written word, which has its basis in a language processing problem.



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24 Nov 2012, 11:25 am

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LearningTime wrote:
Ettina wrote:
It depends on the person. There are different kinds of dyslexia. For some, it's being a visuospatial thinker, for others it's the opposite - difficulty with visual things, including letters. In other cases it could be something else entirely.


i thought it's dyslexia means unable to actually see words/2d symbols (clearly) . so not stupidity ie just being unable to understand them but actually seeing the visual of them properly due to disorientation process. and not to do with just having general poor sight or being easily distracted by background noise - i'm referring to the ones who get letter reversal and words sliding about on the page.

'A common misconception about dyslexia is that dyslexic readers write words backwards or move letters around when reading – this only occurs in a very small population of dyslexic readers' - from the wiki. these are the people i'm hoping to ask and i understand they only have difficulty with 2d visuospatial ie symbols on a page, letters (actually the difficulty is caused by their amazing visual spatial perception)


My understanding of dyslexia is that 15% or less of dyslexia is visual processing problems i.e. letter reversal etc., the majority is phonological dyslexia, or trouble decoding the written word, which has its basis in a language processing problem.


oh right so just translating written word to sound. that makes sense whereas the letter reversals they could translate it to sound but they're just literally seeing it wrong... they're the geniuses who i want to know how they generally think/what interests them.



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04 Dec 2012, 11:55 am

I'm dyslexic (amongst other things) and I definitely have an "inner speech".



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05 Dec 2012, 3:41 am

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I'm dyslexic (amongst other things) and I definitely have an "inner speech".


but do you see words/letters back to front? can you read just as fast upside down as regular or like do the words shift about on the page also? what's the exact visual hallucination part of it for you?



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11 Dec 2012, 6:40 am

LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
I'm dyslexic (amongst other things) and I definitely have an "inner speech".


but do you see words/letters back to front? can you read just as fast upside down as regular or like do the words shift about on the page also? what's the exact visual hallucination part of it for you?


I can read upside down better than most people, but not quite as quickly as the right way up. I've had problems writing letters the wrong way round where they have a mirror image letter like lowercase b and d. I sometimes seem to get lost in a chunk of text and have to work out what line I'm on or which line is next. Also I tend to leave words out when writing, sometimes leading me to have to make multiple corrections.

Is that helpful? Does it answer your question?



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11 Dec 2012, 10:35 am

UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
I'm dyslexic (amongst other things) and I definitely have an "inner speech".


but do you see words/letters back to front? can you read just as fast upside down as regular or like do the words shift about on the page also? what's the exact visual hallucination part of it for you?


I can read upside down better than most people, but not quite as quickly as the right way up. I've had problems writing letters the wrong way round where they have a mirror image letter like lowercase b and d. I sometimes seem to get lost in a chunk of text and have to work out what line I'm on or which line is next. Also I tend to leave words out when writing, sometimes leading me to have to make multiple corrections.

Is that helpful? Does it answer your question?


possibly. apparently the extreme people just see words moving over the page and flipping around etc. i accidentally leave some words out recently. seems like you're close to them. what i want to know what's your general thinking style? roughly what type of stuff do you find yourself doing and thus thinking about (including socialising if you do) and how do thoughts come to you?



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11 Dec 2012, 1:04 pm

LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
I'm dyslexic (amongst other things) and I definitely have an "inner speech".


but do you see words/letters back to front? can you read just as fast upside down as regular or like do the words shift about on the page also? what's the exact visual hallucination part of it for you?


I can read upside down better than most people, but not quite as quickly as the right way up. I've had problems writing letters the wrong way round where they have a mirror image letter like lowercase b and d. I sometimes seem to get lost in a chunk of text and have to work out what line I'm on or which line is next. Also I tend to leave words out when writing, sometimes leading me to have to make multiple corrections.

Is that helpful? Does it answer your question?


possibly. apparently the extreme people just see words moving over the page and flipping around etc. i accidentally leave some words out recently. seems like you're close to them. what i want to know what's your general thinking style? roughly what type of stuff do you find yourself doing and thus thinking about (including socialising if you do) and how do thoughts come to you?


I'm sorry, I don't really know how to answer that question.



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11 Dec 2012, 1:21 pm

UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
I'm dyslexic (amongst other things) and I definitely have an "inner speech".


but do you see words/letters back to front? can you read just as fast upside down as regular or like do the words shift about on the page also? what's the exact visual hallucination part of it for you?


I can read upside down better than most people, but not quite as quickly as the right way up. I've had problems writing letters the wrong way round where they have a mirror image letter like lowercase b and d. I sometimes seem to get lost in a chunk of text and have to work out what line I'm on or which line is next. Also I tend to leave words out when writing, sometimes leading me to have to make multiple corrections.

Is that helpful? Does it answer your question?


possibly. apparently the extreme people just see words moving over the page and flipping around etc. i accidentally leave some words out recently. seems like you're close to them. what i want to know what's your general thinking style? roughly what type of stuff do you find yourself doing and thus thinking about (including socialising if you do) and how do thoughts come to you?


I'm sorry, I don't really know how to answer that question.


i'm not sure why you don't know how to answer it. at least the simple question what do you do each day/look at?



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11 Dec 2012, 2:03 pm

LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
I'm dyslexic (amongst other things) and I definitely have an "inner speech".


but do you see words/letters back to front? can you read just as fast upside down as regular or like do the words shift about on the page also? what's the exact visual hallucination part of it for you?


I can read upside down better than most people, but not quite as quickly as the right way up. I've had problems writing letters the wrong way round where they have a mirror image letter like lowercase b and d. I sometimes seem to get lost in a chunk of text and have to work out what line I'm on or which line is next. Also I tend to leave words out when writing, sometimes leading me to have to make multiple corrections.

Is that helpful? Does it answer your question?


possibly. apparently the extreme people just see words moving over the page and flipping around etc. i accidentally leave some words out recently. seems like you're close to them. what i want to know what's your general thinking style? roughly what type of stuff do you find yourself doing and thus thinking about (including socialising if you do) and how do thoughts come to you?


I'm sorry, I don't really know how to answer that question.


i'm not sure why you don't know how to answer it. at least the simple question what do you do each day/look at?


All sorts of things. I have a broad general knowledge and a wide range of interests. So it could be any number of things.



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11 Dec 2012, 3:06 pm

UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
LearningTime wrote:
UDG wrote:
I'm dyslexic (amongst other things) and I definitely have an "inner speech".


but do you see words/letters back to front? can you read just as fast upside down as regular or like do the words shift about on the page also? what's the exact visual hallucination part of it for you?


I can read upside down better than most people, but not quite as quickly as the right way up. I've had problems writing letters the wrong way round where they have a mirror image letter like lowercase b and d. I sometimes seem to get lost in a chunk of text and have to work out what line I'm on or which line is next. Also I tend to leave words out when writing, sometimes leading me to have to make multiple corrections.

Is that helpful? Does it answer your question?


possibly. apparently the extreme people just see words moving over the page and flipping around etc. i accidentally leave some words out recently. seems like you're close to them. what i want to know what's your general thinking style? roughly what type of stuff do you find yourself doing and thus thinking about (including socialising if you do) and how do thoughts come to you?


I'm sorry, I don't really know how to answer that question.


i'm not sure why you don't know how to answer it. at least the simple question what do you do each day/look at?


All sorts of things. I have a broad general knowledge and a wide range of interests. So it could be any number of things.


ok. what's your job?



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15 Dec 2012, 9:10 am

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i thought it's dyslexia means unable to actually see words/2d symbols (clearly) . so not stupidity ie just being unable to understand them but actually seeing the visual of them properly due to disorientation process. and not to do with just having general poor sight or being easily distracted by background noise - i'm referring to the ones who get letter reversal and words sliding about on the page.


That would be Irlen Syndrome, which can be one cause of dyslexia. But the phonological processing issue is a more common cause.

By the way, reversing letters is something NT grade 1-2 kids do while learning to read/write. So a dyslexic person whose reading level is around grade 1-2 might reverse letters simply because their reading skills are so poor, and not because of any particular visual processing issue. It would be if they're reversing letters despite having a reading level where most kids have stopped making that error that it would actually serve to hint at the cause of their issues.

In research into developmental delays (specific or general), they talk about a distinction between delay and 'deviance'. A delay is when performance in the delayed area is pretty much the same as a younger child - you can identify an age level where their abilities in that area would be considered normal. In contrast, deviance is when their performance wouldn't be typical of an NT of any age.

So, for example, in language, a 7 year old who talks in telegraphic sentences (eg 'me want cookie') and whose vocabulary is about the size of a typical three year old is showing delayed language, because they talk like an NT 3 year old talks. A 7 year old who uses mostly grammatically correct, noncommunicative echolalia would have deviant language, because NTs don't use a lot of noncommunicative echolalia at any age. Furthermore, a 7 year old who talks in telegraphic sentences, but who has the same size of vocabulary as most 7 year olds, is showing deviant language with grammatical delay, because the whole of their language skills is atypical, but if you look at grammar alone they show a simple delay.