Feminists versus MRA's at Toronto College

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80

This feminist group pulled a fire alarm on a meeting that was advocating gender equality. From the info I was able to gather, these feminists felt that addressing men's issues was somehow misogyny, and therefore set the fire alarm off to interrupt the meeting. The confrontation in the video happened afterwards.

They're not helping the damaged image of feminism in 2013. If you want to get your ideas across, try lowering your voice and speak like a human being.

"Lowering your voice" is generally the least effective way to be heard, but I'm not surprised to see an anti-feminism sort of person suggest that feminists should lower their voices.

Then again, I don't think there's any point in discussing feminism with basement dwelling MRAs. For clarity, I'm not calling anyone here a basement dwelling MRA, that's just the general consensus of what MRAs are like, as far as I've seen.

So, what do you think of the current public image of MRAs, and do you think the public image of MRAs is very important?

I'm not anti women's rights, but if people want to be taken seriously, they need to conduct themselves in a reasonable manner. The MRA's in the video weren't shouting down the feminists and telling them to STFU. She was the one doing that.

MRA's as a group have a lot of problems, mostly the traditionals in the group who want to restore outdated gender roles. I'm okay with the other half because they raise legitimate points about men's issues.

I'm not a hardcore fan either group, but whenever I see radical feminists and MRA's go at it, the MRA's are always calmer and don't tend to shout down their opposition.

I stopped watching the video 30 seconds in as she was loud and obnoxious.

When men do this to a women, those women have every reason to object to the misogyny, as it is sexist abuse; and when women do this to men, those men have every reason to object to the misandry as well, as it is also sexist abuse.

So why is it called misogyny when men object to this behavior being directed at them by women?

If I ask someone to lower his or her voice, it is not to get them to whisper or shut up entirely; it is to get them to speak in a conversational tone that does not provoke fear or anger, at a normal volume that doesn't hurt my ears, and without the profanity that ignorant, hate-filled low-lifes use in prisons.

Speak to me in a calm, rational manner, and I am likely to at least try to see things from your point of view, but speak to me as an an ignorant bully would, and I'll just walk away and forget everything you've tried to say.

I'm not anti-feminist, by the way. I am anti-sexist - I don't like either side treating the other with any measure of gender-based disrespect; and screaming, shouting and profanity are very disrespectful.

I didn't even bother watching the video, but apparently people around her were interacting with her and listening.

I'm just basing that on the slew of comments on the video, between the "stupid b***h" and rape threat comments. I think that's where the image of basement-dweller gets attached to MRAs. The thousands of them commenting online, I mean.

I don't equate anti-feminism to misogyny. So, I can't answer that question. However, I really don't see misandry as a top priority issue, so I guess I'm pretty apathetic to the issue. I used to care, and then I realized how it's not a systemic world issue or whatever.

In any case, I don't see many calm people getting any media attention, so whether or not people would prefer to listen to calmer, quieter voices, they rarely are offered that option through corporate media. So if you want to be heard by any large amount of people, being loud works in your favor.

MRA is usually just a euphemism for anti-women's rights. They seem to think rights are a zero-sum game and are really just representatives of the old guard style patriarchy/sexual conservatism. That being said they have as much a right to meet as anybody else so I have no idea what a group would hope to accomplish by preventing them from speaking, since it really just gets them undeserved sympathy and makes them out to be the victim

Seriously, you're judging groups of people based on what a few of them say on a YT video? YouTube? Where everyone in the comments is a troll? The major contributor to the comment thread right now has set his real name to "Karl Marx"!

That seems even less fair than judging feminists by the shrill red hair woman screaming obscenities and "patriarchy!".

Not let's change MRA for feminism, and see what happen:

"Feminism is usually just a euphemism for anti-men's rights. They seem to think rights are a zero-sum game where men's rights involve women's lack of rights."

I like those arguments multiporpuse

Last edited by Greb on 10 Apr 2013, 12:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Oh yes feminism is all about taking away rights from men, I'm glad you have figured that out. It is our right to rule them by nature and God, who are they to try and take this right from us?

Let's keep playing:

"Oh yes MRA is all about taking away rights from women, I'm glad you have figured that out. It is our right to rule them by nature and God, who are they to try and take this right from us?"

That would work if you had some sort of basis to use the last half of my statement, but you don't. Most religions make it quite clear women are subservient, and most people opposed to women's rights believe women are physically inferior. We can keep playing this game but all we're really accomplishing is demonstrating your laziness and ineptitude as you apparently are not able to form a coherent argument of your own

"That would work if you had some sort of basis to uset, but you don't. Most feminist groups make it quite clear men are opressors, and most people opposed to men's rights believe men are morally inferior. We can keep playing this game but all we're really accomplishing is demonstrating your laziness and ineptitude as you apparently are not able to form a coherent argument of your own"

Because all "patriarchy" = "all men are oppressors". Amateur troll is amateur. Next?

You should think about the depth or your arguments, when every argument you said can be applied to almost every ideological position you can imagine, just changing the key words, and it sounds fine.