Would an autistic communist nation survive longer than a NT?

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01 Jun 2013, 4:15 am

As said above would a communist nation full of autistics survive longer than a NT one? Why or why not? Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.
I believe if we can collectively work as a team, working with our strengths we will be able to outperform an NT nation. The Austitic communist nation shall be abbreviated to the ASR(Austitic Socialist Republic) for easy forum reference.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:18 am

Any nation that would struggle to survive independently of known opposition is doomed to failure. History has shown that, yes, human beings, with all our foibles and aggressions, need checks and balances to keep us on the straight and narrow. Sad but true.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:20 am

Grimdalus wrote:
if we can collectively work as a team,


i think this would be the stumbling block, and as above^



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01 Jun 2013, 4:24 am

I hate socialism. Bunch of despots.

Give me freedom and all that.

(The only autistic society that'd work would probably be something akin to anarchy (which would be there by chance, not design). It's like asking for a majority of lone wolves whom don't have empathy to work together.)



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01 Jun 2013, 4:25 am

Dillogic wrote:
I hate socialism. Bunch of despots.

Give me freedom and all that.

Oh the irony.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:28 am

Grimdalus wrote:
Oh the irony.


What's so ironic about that when you have no frame of reference regarding what I deem as freedom?



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01 Jun 2013, 4:31 am

Grimdalus wrote:
Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.


BANG!


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01 Jun 2013, 4:33 am

Dillogic wrote:
Grimdalus wrote:
Oh the irony.


What's so ironic about that when you have no frame of reference regarding what I deem as freedom?

It is appropriate to assume it is most likely a centre left or a centre right position. The problem is you most likely think that North Korea, Joseph Stalin and China are communist when they were not. You are most likely a proud supporter of capitalism, republicanism and constitutional monarchism. Economic inequality causes social inequality.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:34 am

vanhalenkurtz wrote:
Grimdalus wrote:
Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.


BANG!

Elaboration?



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01 Jun 2013, 4:39 am

Grimdalus wrote:
vanhalenkurtz wrote:
Grimdalus wrote:
Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.


BANG!

Elaboration?


I think they're pointing out what would happen to anyone who criticized one of those men while under their regime...


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01 Jun 2013, 4:41 am

It's only a matter of time before North Korea fails. Young Fat Un is doomed.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:44 am

Dox47 wrote:
Grimdalus wrote:
vanhalenkurtz wrote:
Grimdalus wrote:
Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.


BANG!

Elaboration?


I think they're pointing out what would happen to anyone who criticized one of those men while under their regime...

Uncle Ho? Unlikely. He was a fair man. Trotsky? Possibly, but he was for communist democracy. Lenin? No. Lenin was a good man. They were al benevolent people.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:45 am

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It's only a matter of time before North Korea fails. Young Fat Un is doomed.

Thank Odin too. Another pseudo-communist nation will go.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:46 am

Grimdalus wrote:
It is appropriate to assume it is most likely a centre left or a centre right position. The problem is you most likely think that North Korea, Joseph Stalin and China are communist when they were not. You are most likely a proud supporter of capitalism, republicanism and constitutional monarchism. Economic inequality causes social inequality.


I know what socialism is. The problem is that I don't care about social inequality (though what's "social" in your view?); anything trying to create equality in this aspect tends to infringe upon the freedom of others, which is something I value far more (not to mention socialist governments have always gone down the path of more and more restrictions on individual freedoms in the name of equality, even though they're not related to economics). Life itself is inequality, and one will never be able to make it equal without first hindering the individual.

Since I don't care about the group, anything that imposes itself on the individual is despotic to me.

Not a supporter of any of those either, though they've had a better track record regarding individual freedoms so far.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:48 am

The idea of having an autistic Nation is a nice thought , but i think whether this Nation can last either much more longer than the NT nation is still debatable and we all not yet certain of how the future will be and it is totally wrong to assume that this idea is still a failure based on our current past history because the truth is History is not what it seem to be.



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01 Jun 2013, 4:53 am

Dillogic wrote:
Grimdalus wrote:
It is appropriate to assume it is most likely a centre left or a centre right position. The problem is you most likely think that North Korea, Joseph Stalin and China are communist when they were not. You are most likely a proud supporter of capitalism, republicanism and constitutional monarchism. Economic inequality causes social inequality.


I know what socialism is. The problem is that I don't care about social inequality; anything trying to create equality in this aspect tends to infringe upon the freedom of others, which is something I value far more (not to mention socialist governments have always gone down the path of more and more restrictions on individual freedoms in the name of equality, even though they're not related to economics). Life itself is inequality, and one will never be able to make it equal without first hindering the individual.

Since I don't care about the group, anything that imposes itself on the individual is despotic to me.

Not a supporter of any of those either, though they've had a better track record regarding individual freedoms so far.

So you are for freedom of upperclass individuals to wage slave the lower and middle class. By you admitting there is something wrong, there is and it must be fixed. Capitalism is taking an ugly root where the rights of corperations are getting more than an individual rights. Where the average person has no say.
The bit which you said about track record is a bit silly, Communism has only been around for 100 years while monarchy/republics has been around for longer. The French first republic failed, I think if you lived in the 19th century you would be anti-democratic person and you would be quoting track records.