Gun control: more divisive than reason

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True. We can't say gun ownership has reduced crime; but we can say the raise in gun ownership has not caused the crime rate to go up.

For a court of law, yes; however, a few nights of good sleep might still prevent a murder-suicide or two.


So where does the line get drawn? If the local gang got a line on 3-inch mortars, do you need one too? Or shoulder-fired grenade launchers? The simple fact of the matter is that a line currently exists. Without a enforced line, there is an arms race between criminals and those who are afraid of criminals; moving the line means that criminals may have a temporary advantage, but it will rapidly decrease as criminal firearms are confiscated and destroyed and guns are turned in in buy-back programs.


Same as when you buy or sell a car - you have to register it through the DMV. Buying and selling a gun - especially higher-power guns - should not be easier than buying and selling a car.

QFT

The NRA doesn't want a pistol in every pocket.
http://www.theroot.com/views/fear-black-gun-owner

oops I should have specified "a pistol in every WHITE pocket."

Yes, they're so afraid of black gun owners that they've recently hired a black man as their public face:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrColionNoir

The same NRA that was formed by retired Union officers in the wake of the civil war, the same one that fights gun control rooted in racism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ssociation
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnWHC7B34Qw[/youtube]

Another good video that looks at the racism disguised as comedy in the Sara Silverman Video.

ok then, consider THIS (why the NRA doesn't consider blacks in recruitment)

Well, I would still concider it premeditated even out of the court room but thats besides the point. I am not sure if the concept of, " Give it a week and if you still what to murder someone come back and see us." is the best way to stop murders. It is very possible after a ten year waiting period they may have completely forgotten about the problem. However, will this technique stop the vast majority of murders that take place in the U.S?



I would say the line gets drawn at automatic weapons( the RPGs and mortars would obvious be quite future down the continuum). Realistically owning heavy weapons or even automatic weapons is not going to increase your chance of survival, unless you were to start ww3 . The same cannot be said of semi auto weapons, so I do not really understand your point here?

Well, a car is what I would call a very big. So big in fact, that it could not possibly fit into your pocket. Realistically cars are easy to registered because you can't really hide them. You drive them on public road in public places and you will never be looking at someone and say, " Holly shi* where did he pull that car out from." There are around 310 million guns in this country. To be honest though no one really knows how many there are. Sure you could register every new gun but what good will that do? Once the gun is sold their is no guarantee it will stay with the owner. If they have trouble finding a car that gets stolen how in the world are they going to find something small enough to fit in a glove compartment? It seems woefully unrealistic.

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I have never been targeted for membership by gardening clubs and a host of other membership ( including the NRA.) I don't think they have anything against me personally. They probably just don't think I will join.

Did you actually read that article? It talks about the NRA not specifically reaching out to the black community, nothing about racism within the organization.

I read it. the effect is FELT as institutional racism within the black community. feelings matter, something to which the NRA seems numb.

Or it might get someone killed, like when a DV victim's abuser decides that a restraining order is just a piece of paper.



Well, Constitutionally speaking, "arms" is a distinct category of weapons, as distinguished from "ordnance", but to me, the easy test is discrimination. Is the weapon discrete in it's effect? Rifles, pistols, shotguns, all of these fire discrete projectiles at specific targets, while things like grenades and mortars have wide areas of effect and are indiscriminate. Now that's giving your "argument" more attention than it deserves, as we all know that no one is arguing for those things and it's just a red herring you like to deploy whenever this comes up, but that's my answer to it.

Lol at buyback programs. Do you know what get's turned in to buyback programs? Junk guns that are worth less than the amount being offered, old war trophies that widows don't want, and crime guns that crooks want to ditch "no questions asked". This is what I mean when I say you people need to learn before you talk, a minute on Google, or maybe five minutes of thinking about it, would demonstrate the fallaciousness of the gun buyback.



Cars are far more dangerous than guns, are not Constitutionally guaranteed to the people, do not have an entire lobby dedicated to seizing and banning them, and registration of them does not have a history of leading to confiscation. Further, what crime fighting purpose would it have? Can you point to a country that used a gun registry to successfully fight violent crime? I can point to a number of expensive boondoggles (*cough*Canada!*cough*), success stories are so far elusive.

Does the NRA bar black members? Does it actively discriminate? What you seem to be arguing is that it's racist to not specifically reach out to any given group, which would make everyone racist as no one is actively reaching out to every given race.

As to feelings. plenty of people here feel that taxation is theft, yet you don't really respect those feelings now, do you? You judge the importance of feelings based on how closely they adhere to your own, in which case you think your feelings trump facts. Like in this case, where your partisan dislike for the NRA is causing you to contort yourself to try and portray the organization as racist, despite the facts being against you.

I remember years ago when a local paper made a point of hiring homeless people to hand out their paper, and a homeless advocacy group immediately made a big stink about them "exploiting" the homeless by giving them jobs... I imagine the reaction would be along those lines.

I am not sure how the black community would "feel" if they were specifically targeted for membership by the NRA.