okay, really? government SHUT DOWN????

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WTF is going on in this world? has congress gone completely insane? almost a billion people suddenly out of work? what is wrong with these arrogant greedy power-mad as*holes?????

my entire town (of 3000) is completely dependent on the grand canyon national park for income. COMPLETELY. with the park closure today, there have already been mass cancellations at the local motels. no tourists, no money, no jobs, no food - for ANYONE who doesn't have a fat savings account. and i definitely do not. this is CATASTROPHIC.

i'm freaking out.

i mean dead to rights freaking out, rocking, trying not to cry or throw up.

Blame the bullies in the Tea Party Caucus, and their "We're gonna get back at America for re-electing Obama" attitude.

Well over 800,000 employees furloughed so far, and the longer the shutdown lasts, the larger that number will grow. The VHA (less than 1000 furloughed employees as of today) is using up some money that it set aside from last year's budget and an advance on this year's discretionary spending prior to 10/1 to keep paying most of their people, but that won't last all that long. If this goes for 2 weeks, I will definitely be sitting at home wondering which bills I can blow off.

Just found out that the Nuclear Regulatory Comission has been shut down. Who needs to make sure nuclear power plants are safe anyway, right?

You guys really need to deal with the Tea Party

Baggers are getting hell in the press and the polls so it won't last too long. The real threat is October 17th. If they do the same with the debt limit they'll destroy the US economy.

We are, but it has to be done legally ... and that takes time ...

Go to the national park and see what happens, they're still patrolling it. They'll pay more to keep you out than to operate it normally. This is just a pure vindictiveness. This government shut down is on Harry Reid, he will not compromise or even negotiate. The House represents the will of the American people, the American people do not want Obamacare. Obama and his Democrat allies want nothing short of complete capitulation.

Actually, the "American People" want affordable health care, and the Tea Party Caucus doesn't seem to approve of that.

Oh, they're just horsing around. Don't take them too seriously.

and they're not getting it with Obamacare.

Quite a claim. It will be very affordable for many people thanks to subsidies. And free for the poor where states accept the Medicaid expansion.

The Tea Party isn't the problem...they never were. The established parties (Republicans and Democrats) want to blame them for doing what they were elected to do...put some sanity back into government spending.

If you are freaking out over a furlough, I can just imagine what you will do when the economy inevitably implodes because we keep borrowing more and more to fund the government but we couldn't take enough via taxation to ever meet the annual budget.

Honestly, you could take 100% of what the wealthy not only earn but HAVE and you might have enough to fund the current budget for ONE YEAR. What about the year after that?

More so, I understand that federal employees still get paid for missed days...just after they come back. Of course, that doesn't help those whose livelihoods depend on the government service running (e.g., a company that supports another company that goes on strike has no work to do).

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Federal law enforcement is (for the most poart) considered essential service. There is a significant strain on their resources at times like these to prevent theft and vandalism.

As for the Democrats, they passed a measure that included (comparatively) huge concessions to the Republican party. Without defunding the ACA, though, there could be no discussion.

As for the majority of Americans not wanting Obamacare, you are a bit off on that one.

80% of federal employees are still at work. This is political theater, nothing more:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washingt ... t_Syndrome

In the Reagan years a Democratic Congress "shut down the government" a dozen times. Anyone who claims that Reagan was to blame then (by not signing their spending bills) but House Republicans are to blame now (by submitting a spending bill of which the President does not approve) is a mere partisan without principles.

+1

I know someone who works for ICE. He was letting us know that Obama ordered the release of thousands of illegals in custody during the threat of a shutdown last time...even though it never happened. Then Obama went on to say how their release was the fault of the Republicans.

Simple logic....

Did the shutdown happen? No.
Did the need to release the illegals materialize? No.
Who ordered their release? Obama.

So, who is to blame????

To be fair, not just Obama has done this. Years ago when a shutdown loomed over the holiday season, the media went on with stories of how so many kids would be robbed of Christmas by the shutdown. Nonsense! The families would get every penny for the time missed (and indeed for not having to work) once the shutdown ended. It might be an inconvenience, but they weren't being cast out into the street.

the republican representative are rejecting WHOLESALE an act that was PASSED through BOTH houses into LAW. and they are holding the american people hostage to do so. personally i think this will be the end of them; the question is whether it will be the end of the rest of america. if they don't get their s**t together soon and do their JOBS (for which i have no doubt THEY will get paid, regardless of whoever else gets laid off) then our entire economy is going to be f****d. and don't think this won't effect other countries, we are, to borrow a class line, "too big to fail."

this is bad s**t at a very bad time.

i believe this is an attempted political coup.

as far as the national parks go, there are a lot of tourists for instance actually IN the canyon who have been rafting camping etc. and they have 24 hours to get out. so that may explain some of the presence of federal employees there. as has been observed, the longer this goes on, the more federal employees will be joining the ranks of the unemployed - just what our economy needs.

mother f*****s.