Nutcases on FB in an AS group

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While WP was down the other night, I joined some AS groups on FB. I've had a nice time talking there, then this nutcase started bitching because there were NT parents in that group. Well, as those of you who know me know, I had my say to him. He also has a friend who is paranoid there as well and even questioned whether or not I was really an aspie, accused me of eugenics, and all kinds of batshit crazy crap. This guy was so adamant that it should be AS only, and that NT's being there would mean that he couldn't relax, etc. It was a huge, long thread, and a few NT parents chimed in saying that they were simply there to help understand their children better. So, this guy says "Thats what I mean!" because they chimed in and said they were there.

Now, that was the craziest thing. I kept asking him how they were hurting him, but apparantly they were hurting him by being there, even though they didn't say anything mean to anybody and the only argument he got into was with me, another aspie. Then his sidekick spoke up and accused me of having borderline personality disorder because I told him exactly how I feel.

There is nothing wrong with having a place to vent about AS related things and to talk about them, and if there are NTs there who just put you down for it then yes I can see why you wouldn't want them there, but that wasn't going on. He was paranoid over nothing. It's people like him and his sidekick that give us a bad name and make people think we are nuts.

I did connect with one of the NT parents and gave her the info about WP and she's going to join. She doesn't have access to a lot of resources and the parents subforum, and this whole forum actually, would be a great resource for her. So, something good came out of it.

if its not that guys group he shoud keep his e-mouth shut,he doesnt control who goes on there so its nothing to do with him,he is an aspie elitist,the most vocal of all aspies and unfortunately tar the rest of them with the same sht.

Sounds more like they where behaving like a**holes or trolling.

That sounds familiar. Was the discussion under the article about a mom killing her 16 year old son and herself because she couldn't cope?

That's weird. Life's hard enough without being like that. I'm glad some people do have parents that try to help their kids and be supportive.

Yep, sure is. It's still going on too. The guy who doesn't want NT's there has now called me insecure and his sidekick is going on about how mean I am because sarcasm is nothing more than an excuse to be cruel.

Certifiable. Absolutely certifiable.

I just went to read some of the posts I missed at the beginning of that thread. (There are over 200 now) It seems the girl whining that I'm so mean and awful and who just now accused me of verbally and emotionally abusing my family because I used sarcasm on the internet, has been whining about others being mean and "name calling" and such when none of that even happened. I think she's just pulling stuff out of her ass to say. Unless you are extra special sweet and agree with her about everything she insists that you are awful to her and to everyone else and she tells you what mental problems you must have because of that. LOL! She really should come here, as we have a small faction like that as well.

It sounds like the two of them might be one person with two IDs, and whether that's so or not, they're either trolls, or just plain nuts.

Some people can be basket cases and can only be as aggressive as they are on the internet because they're not in the same room as the real people they're making trouble for.

Wow, that was strange...I actually think it's great that NT parents want to join FB groups/forums like these in order to learn more about what AS/autism feels like "from the inside." Sounds to me like that one guy on FB just jumps all over people before he even gets to know them.

While I don't agree with their conduct they probably had a lot of negative experiences from NTs, bullying etc.

I don't think it's nice that you call them nutcases. It's not a very nice term to use full stop.

As some who has been through psychosis I don't really like hearing the non-mentally ill throwing those words around. They don't know what it means to really be psychotic. They always apply it to someone who goes off on a rant, and their statement is incorrect.

If people in a group bother you then block them or leave the group.

I'm glad I don't spend that much time in the autistic community anymore. There are people who think they are more superior than anyone without AS, and yes they are annoying. If they really get under your skin then maybe it's best to take a bit of time away from them.

Nutcase doesn't mean psychotic or really any kind of diagnosed problem. It just means nutcase. A diagnosed problem means mentally ill. I didn't say they were mentally ill, which is what psychosis would be. Nutcases means just crazy in a nonspecific way. Just because it's not a diagnosis doesn't mean it's not real.I wish people would stop taking everything so personally. Thats one of the problems nowdays. I called somebody else a nutcase and because you were dx'd psychotic before it offends you. I didn't call you a nutcase. I wouldn't have called you a nutcase, I would have called you psychotic. There is a difference, and I know what it is, and a lot of people do. Stop assuming that we all mean the lowest possible common denominator insult ok? You are not the be all and end all of words and their interpretations and intent. I said exactly what I meant and I stand by it. Not all crazy people even have or could get a dx. Some people are just flat out crazy, nonspecific. Chill. Put down the armor and the sword of verbal justice please. Not everybody means something offensive just because they speak outside of your lexicon.

That's what I was thinking, troll and sockpuppet. I've never had any experience with either, but have heard about that a lot. Is FB moderated in any way or is it a free-for-all?

I don't have a FB account and think I'll keep it that way. I do belong to 6 forums tho, so that way if one goes kaput (and they all go kaput - one of my forums was down for 10 days) I still have plenty of well moderated outlets I'm established in.

Umm nutcase tends to sometimes be used in a derogatory manner towards people with mental illnesses or mental conditions, its understandable applying that term to someone acting like an elitist jerk could be a bit offensive as it can be seen as implying....they must be 'mentally ill' to behave that way, and it just so happens many mentally ill people don't act like that.

I'd be willing to bet most 'crazy' people would be diagnosable with something, crazy is another word for insane....and well its somewhat common knowledge those terms tend to refer to something being off or wrong with the mind. I'd say a major problem now days is people think everyone should just 'get over it' with every senerio regardless, its not ok to be offended about something and point that out, its not ok to be upset by something and show upset emotions...ect.

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My parents will call anyone crazy who does abuse or killings.

And by crazy do they mean someone with mental problems? If so they are being inaccurate....since in reality mentally ill people are no more likely to abuse or kill anyone than anyone else. Not to mention statistically mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators.

I would like to try to understand this. I understand your background and how you developed some of your beliefs. Your beliefs are similar to other conservative styled beliefs. This is where I become confused and I am really trying to understand your reasoning because it seems so inconsistent.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here but please accept that I am truthfully confused and intend no offense. It seems like other people taking offense to certain things seem to bother you, offend you and you seem to take this personally. If we're not supposed to take things personally then wouldn't it be logically inconsistent to take this personally and let it bother you at all? I don't get it.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt226763.html

This post that you made is similar to the concept the point I'm trying to make and I am still confused. If "life being unfair" is some kind of universal law that must be accepted as truth then wouldn't the principal canceling be a form of "unfairness of life?" If it is then why complain about the unfairness of this and get offended? None of this should bother you at all, yet it does. I can't put any rhyme or reason to this and I feel like I'm missing a premise(s) that could help me to draw a conclusion to all of this.

Again, I do understand your historical background; does it have to do with your historical background and the emotions that developed as you grew up? My neurology tends towards a logical/philosophical way so my natural inclination is to look for contradictions and inconsistencies in a given system. Am I approaching this in a fallacious way and if yes what is the fallacy in logic that I'm committing?

Maybe it has to do with my personality type. http://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality