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Which GOP hopeful do you think will be hardest to defeat in the 2016 elections?
Donald Trump 23%  23%  [ 19 ]
Scott Walker 8%  8%  [ 7 ]
Rand Paul 19%  19%  [ 16 ]
Lindsey Graham 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Chris Christie 7%  7%  [ 6 ]
Rick Perry 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Mike Huckabee 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
George Pataki 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Marco Rubio 14%  14%  [ 12 ]
Someone Else Entirely 19%  19%  [ 16 ]
Total votes : 84

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25 Aug 2015, 11:33 pm

It is not a jail, it is a detention center for undocumented people.

Citizens and legal immigrants have to speak the language, and pass a test on American Government.

E-verify will tell who is illegal, and the local police can turn them over to INS for transport to a detention center.

It will be a joint Mexican/American Border Program. Some of the people who cross the border at night are wanted by the Mexican Police. We already have Mexican/American Police Cooperation over border crime.

Mexico has the same problem on their southern border, where they just send them back by the truckload.

Mexico is also the path of tourists who use it to slip over the American border. Europeans, Arabs, Chinese and other Asians. Those who overstayed their visa and were not recorded to have left, should be on a list.

Mexico also has Serial Killers, Murdered Police, and a lot of reasons to support a joint venture.

While it may sound the same, illegals are not criminals. Unlike Mexico that will send you to jail for two years, we do not, we just remove them from our country. Deportation is the formal process, but before that they have the option to leave.

Holding them in jails like we now do for the reason of crossing the border to pick tomatoes, if not a crime against humanity, is at least an insult to us being human.

Removing them to a detention center, for sorting, where they have the option to just reenter Mexico, or register as a Guest Worker, is a humane response to the problem.

Private Prisons are making money holding them for years, Lawyers and Courts making a Federal Case of it.

It is more an Administrative problem. Non Citizen detained for expired Visa or no Visa. Return to their native country, case closed.

A lot of it is our fault for ending the Guest Worker Program. Guest Workers are not on a path to citizenship, their children do not become citizens, they do pay taxes, there is an international agreement on Social Security for people who work in several countries. farm workers with children do not make enough to pay income tax, and I think they pay Mexican Social Security. Guest workers cannot collect unemployment, food stamps, welfare, but they can send their children to school, get a drivers license, and make legal claims about unpaid wages.

People working here benefit us, they should be treated fairly.

There is another world of illegal illegals, a world of crime, drugs and guns back and forth across the border, where finger prints and DNA would answer many questions here and in Mexico. There are a lot of gangs. The drug cartels have a network of illegals across America. It would benefit us to break it up.

We do not allow people with criminal records in. It is a good idea. A whole lot of Mexicans are dying because of cross border crime. It will not stop it's self.

We are not doing what we could to make a lot of people's lives better.



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11 Sep 2015, 4:31 pm

Rick Perry just dropped out, they have been talking about how he has not been paying his staff. It will hardly affect the polls because no-one supported him at 1%. The field is finally starting to thin out.



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11 Sep 2015, 5:23 pm

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An interesting perspective. Who'd have thought a communist would support a billionaire businessman. I have to think this is probably a minority opinion among American communists.


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11 Sep 2015, 5:57 pm

Pat Buchanan picked up some socialist endorsements in his time as well, its the economic nationalism that is appealing since pretty much everybody else in both parties is some open border globalist "free trader". I dunno about now since Trump appears to be the likely GOP nominee at this time from my perspective but I'd expect him to try to court organized labor which is going to force to Democrats leftward to try to cover up that flank. How about that poll showing Trump with 25% of black vote? This really is uncharted territory, Trump is 100% not a Republican but he's attempting a hostile takeover just by sheer force of will and for some strange reason or another he might actually broaden the tent.

The Republican base is revolting, they're revolting against the elitist politicians who sneer at them as unsophisticated crazies while they sell our children's futures away, they're revolting against the media and the entire industry of manufactured opinion. Nobody likes a talking head, they're never right about anything and do more disservice to our political dialogue than they do to help it along. They don't care about Republican dogma, ideology, or any other sacred cows. This is an indictment on the party itself, its own base hates them and thinks they're the problem with the country.



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11 Sep 2015, 6:55 pm

Trump won't be nominated. He is appealing to the far right but they know in the end he can't win the general election. Jeb Bush and Ben Carson are polling better against hypothetical Democratic opponents.



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11 Sep 2015, 8:33 pm

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Trump won't be nominated. He is appealing to the far right but they know in the end he can't win the general election. Jeb Bush and Ben Carson are polling better against hypothetical Democratic opponents.

He's polling about even with Jeb and Carson is much much more conservative than Trump but has an amazingly impressive life story along with a very soft spoken intellectual style that contrasts with Trump's being a no filter bombast. A lot of people don't really care or understand issues in any coherent way, this honestly probably makes up the majority of voters. Trump leads the GOP in pretty much every demographic now including moderates so I think it's just the contrast in Carson's personality along with with his personal backstory that is fueling his rise in the polls, it's not like he made some tax proposal that's super popular.

A lot of people pick who they're going to vote for based on personality and some vague sense of competence, Trump like him or not is a magnetic charismatic guy who runs circles around the bunch of stiffs that are supposedly the "strongest and deepest Republican field ever". Politics in the US is reality tv now, cable news is literally reality tv, and in this arena there isn't anybody in American politics or culture that knows how to manipulate it better than Donald Trump does.

People pick presidents like NFL teams pick draftees, people see Trump as a powerful very successful man that doesn't take any gruff from anybody. He's beyond the political process and isn't beholden to any special interest, that's something that appeals to a lot of people. I remember the former Democratic Senator from Wisconsin Herb Kohl who was independently wealthy from his family business running as "nobody's senator but your own" to reiterate that same quality. Trump is the guy these people want sitting across from Putin and to be fair I actually think Trump would handle our bilateral relationship with Russia better than anybody in either party since I think he could appeal to Putin personally and Putin is a guy that loves to get wined and dined and always has been. Putin was close friends with the former prime minister of Italy Silvio Berlusconi(who a lot of people compare Trump too) and was a lot better with Dubya than he is with Obama now.

He's convinced me that he can get the nomination at this point and I think he might even be able to win it all especially if these polls are right about him attracting a lot of non-traditional Republicans. Ronald Reagan was able to build a coalition of voters too, I think Trump is trying to appeal to that same group of blue-collar and middle class white voters who are deeply dissatisfied with the state of the country right now. People don't want the country to be fair and equal with the rest of the world, they want to use our power and wealth as leverage to our benefit which is what Trump pretty clearly says he will do.

Crazy times we live in.



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12 Sep 2015, 7:31 pm

I'm sorta coming around on Trump, not because I like him or any of his positions, but more as chemotherapy for the cancer that is our political system. If he's the republican nominee and Hilary is the democratic one, I might just vote for chaos. At least it would shake things up in a way they haven't been in years.


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12 Sep 2015, 9:10 pm

Ordo Ab Chao.



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13 Sep 2015, 4:42 pm

Part of Trump is to the left of Bernie.

His immigration vs. American jobs is a shot at unemployment and underemployment.

Black youth have very high unemployment, and fill prisons. The two are connected.

Besides prisons, the murder rate for being Black is Vietnam combat level.

Trump said plainly, get rid of illegals, and STEM Visas, demand market rates, because our graduates are underemployed. Cut back all immigration until Americans are employed at living wages.

Blacks, University Grads, Women, heard that.

Bring back industrial jobs. Blue Collar and Union heard that.

Tax imports, cut taxes on domestic corporations. Labor is a small part of manufacturing, and transport charges are high. Managing offshore involves travel and hotel costs.

If Japan and Korea can make car parts in America, so can America.

Mexico makes the VW Bug, it is not allowed in America. Mexico makes Ford parts that are. Ford can keep it's plant and sell to South America, by exporting the rest of the parts from the USA.

Trump is Leftist, Labor, Union.



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13 Sep 2015, 7:43 pm

Trump is an unknown as far as being a politician goes. He's never held a seat in congress or been a governor or anything else along those lines. Whatever he says is no better than a sales pitch from a used car salesman. He has no record to examine of him voting on any bill, supporting one, drafting one, sponsoring one, opposing one or vetoing one, etc....

I think it's safe to say he's a capitalist and that's about the only thing we can surmise.


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Trump is an unknown as far as being a politician goes. He's never held a seat in congress or been a governor or anything else along those lines. Whatever he says is no better than a sales pitch from a used car salesman. He has no record to examine of him voting on any bill, supporting one, drafting one, sponsoring one, opposing one or vetoing one, etc....

I think it's safe to say he's a capitalist and that's about the only thing we can surmise.


The sad thing, is that's not really any better or worse than any of the other major party candidates who are running...


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13 Sep 2015, 10:09 pm

Trump is running as a populist, whether or not he'll govern that way I dunno. His message economically I think is something that will appeal to a lot non-traditional Republicans, the question is how important the economy really is to voters and the polls always say that's the most important. He might be able be able to really build a coalition of voters, the question is what is the extent of the appeal of his personality which has defied all logic at this point.



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14 Sep 2015, 12:31 am

For me it will come down to voting for the lesser evil and I won't even be sure that I'm 100% right.


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