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04 May 2016, 9:13 pm

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Given the cost of medical care, universal free or subsidized healthcare for the less fortunate is a good thing. Not for procedures such as plastic surgery for purely cosmetic reasons, but certainly for dental treatment, mental health, hospitalization and the like. You wouldn't feel comfortable with people dying because they are refused essential health services, would you?


Where is the money going to come from to pay for all of these "essential" health services? Don't forget that all of the illegal aliens will be getting benefits as well. All of the takers are not contributing to the system. So how is it going to be paid for???????? I keep asking this and no one says anything. Nothing is for free.

Healthy people contribute to the economy. The money will come from increased taxable income, and from the money we currently pay to insurance companies. Our system is the worst possible way to do it, and the most expensive. Just like riding the bus is cheaper than having to buy a car and car insurance.


What is going to have to happen is the people that have good healthcare now will have to give that up to have mediocre healthcare along with everyone else just so everyone can have healthcare. Less than 50% of the population works and puts into the system. I need to look it up, but my Ma said that Russia is trying to get away from the socialist way because it isn't working. Socialism never works in the end.


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04 May 2016, 9:15 pm

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And you remind me of my father. :roll:

Oh, I'm actually quite happy too - after what happened last night.

I'm nothing like your father. I would have straightened you out about many things you falsely believe. As for last night, you would be...


You just made me laugh. Anyway, you should be glad that I'm not your mother, otherwise, you would have been over my knee a long time ago......


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04 May 2016, 9:19 pm

Does anyone remember the movie, A face in the Crowd.
It was a political movie staring Andy Griffith?
It was an older black and white movie, about the TV face and behind the scenes truth of a political candidate. It seems to me that each 4 year seems to have repeated scenes. Though this last year has held lots of surprises.


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05 May 2016, 1:28 am

Dear Nursy, no one needs billions. If they contributed proportionately to the economy there would be no shortage of funds to assist the less fortunate. The only reason socialism doesn't usually work properly is that the leaders want more that their share of the cake and feel a sense of entitlement. A mixed system works best I think. Both systems (capitalism and socialism) have been abused.

You sound like fun to know. We could debate over a cup of good coffee!


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05 May 2016, 2:13 am

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Dear Nursy, no one needs billions. If they contributed proportionately to the economy there would be no shortage of funds to assist the less fortunate. The only reason socialism doesn't usually work properly is that the leaders want more that their share of the cake and feel a sense of entitlement. A mixed system works best I think. Both systems (capitalism and socialism) have been abused.

You sound like fun to know. We could debate over a cup of good coffee!


What is a mixed system?


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05 May 2016, 2:15 am

Just in from Drudge!

Oh my Lord! I'm LMAO! :mrgreen:

Exclusive: President Fox Apologizes, Invites Trump to Mexico - Breitbart. http://tiny.iavian.net/a58r

Trump better watch out - they'll put him in a Mexican prison! Or hand him over to the Mexican drug cartels and we'll find his head on a stick at the Mexican border!


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05 May 2016, 2:40 am

Angie,

A mixed system would incorporate the best elements of socialism and capitalism and attempt to have safeguards that would eliminate abuse.

Countries such as Sweden and Iceland seem to be very well run compared to the US and what's more they have a very high proportion of female legislators!


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05 May 2016, 6:51 am

I wouldn't say that Sweden or Iceland are that well run, there is something of a Nordic socialist myth in this country

we've had a 'mixed' system from the beginning



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05 May 2016, 7:07 am

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What is going to have to happen is the people that have good healthcare now will have to give that up to have mediocre healthcare along with everyone else just so everyone can have healthcare. Less than 50% of the population works and puts into the system. I need to look it up, but my Ma said that Russia is trying to get away from the socialist way because it isn't working. Socialism never works in the end.

We aren't replacing good doctors with mediocre ones, this is only about the costs. Socialized health care is how most of Europe does it, and they can't understand why Americans are so incompetent at it. I say it's all ideological, because our corrupt politicians on both sides are not working for the people, but rather their donors. Limited democratic socialism works better than you think. Profit should not be a factor in public health.



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05 May 2016, 9:40 am

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We aren't replacing good doctors with mediocre ones, this is only about the costs. Socialized health care is how most of Europe does it, and they can't understand why Americans are so incompetent at it. I say it's all ideological, because our corrupt politicians on both sides are not working for the people, but rather their donors. Limited democratic socialism works better than you think. Profit should not be a factor in public health.


Look at the UK .. they actually have "waiting lists" and people spend months to be treated, then to see a specialist, then to further treatments. Americans are too rich to tolerate such third world type of medical care. There would be outrage.

In the UK, as of "June [2015] this year some 3.2million people were parked on waiting lists".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ks-40.html



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05 May 2016, 10:04 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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We aren't replacing good doctors with mediocre ones, this is only about the costs. Socialized health care is how most of Europe does it, and they can't understand why Americans are so incompetent at it. I say it's all ideological, because our corrupt politicians on both sides are not working for the people, but rather their donors. Limited democratic socialism works better than you think. Profit should not be a factor in public health.


Look at the UK .. they actually have "waiting lists" and people spend months to be seen, then to see a specialist, then to receive treatments. Americans are too rich to tolerate such third world type of medical care. There would be outrage.

In the UK, as of "June [2015] this year some 3.2million people were parked on waiting lists".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ks-40.html


How can this be considered good and acceptable health care?! You'll be dead before you see a freaking doctor.


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05 May 2016, 10:06 am

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What is going to have to happen is the people that have good healthcare now will have to give that up to have mediocre healthcare along with everyone else just so everyone can have healthcare. Less than 50% of the population works and puts into the system. I need to look it up, but my Ma said that Russia is trying to get away from the socialist way because it isn't working. Socialism never works in the end.

We aren't replacing good doctors with mediocre ones, this is only about the costs. Socialized health care is how most of Europe does it, and they can't understand why Americans are so incompetent at it. I say it's all ideological, because our corrupt politicians on both sides are not working for the people, but rather their donors. Limited democratic socialism works better than you think. Profit should not be a factor in public health.


The US is now replacing doctors with nurse practitioners. I started a thread on the subject. Would you go to a nurse practitioner?


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05 May 2016, 12:07 pm

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /83935556/

Enjoy...



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11 May 2016, 5:42 pm

I've been away doing a few things, but now that I'm back jack here's some news from Drudge:

Exclusive: Trump surges in support, almost even with Clinton in national U.S. poll. http://tiny.iavian.net/a8up

I'm going to have to get my cable reinstalled - this election will be the best reality TV ever!

GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP! :mrgreen:


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11 May 2016, 5:44 pm

And this :

Bernie Sanders: Nominating Hillary Clinton would be ‘disaster’ for party, nation. http://tiny.iavian.net/a8ud

Doesn't look like Bernie's backing down any!


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11 May 2016, 5:47 pm

And why AMERICA NEEDS TRUMP!

Middle class takes financial hit in most US cities this century - FT.com. http://tiny.iavian.net/a8y4

Mr. Aw is doing such a fantastic job of what he intended all along - getting rid of the middle class. :roll:


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