"It is a common misconception that socialism is about helping poor people. Actually, what socialism does is create poor people, and keep them poor. And that’s not by accident."
'If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain'... Always loved that quote...<chuckle> Someone should tell it to the Brits...
Corbyn scares me. he bribed the students to follow his crazy plans.
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12 Jul 2017, 8:40 pm
Food shopping in Venezuela under late-stage socialism: Highway mob forces sugar truck off the road with a Molotov cocktail, ransacks truck, steals all the sugar.
What scares me is the idea of children having the vote... Don't quote me but I think it was suggested over here that 16 years olds should have the right... You'd have a PS4 in every room in every household but the country would be broke...
They made a movie decades ago about the under 30s gaining political power...legislating putting LSD in the water supply(?)... These days it would be ecstasy... And don't talk about Logan's Run where they terminated anyone hitting 30... Fright night move over...
"It is a common misconception that socialism is about helping poor people. Actually, what socialism does is create poor people, and keep them poor. And that’s not by accident."
I'm a big fan of capitalism so please stop making capitalism look bad. Arguing poorly in favour of capitalism is only helping socialism.
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14 Jul 2017, 1:53 pm
Why are so many people pointing at anything that is not conservatism and shouting 'socialism!'?
I wonder if some of you have any idea at all what socialism really is. You are allowed to dislike any political ideas and structures you like, you don't have to call them socialism to justify disliking them you know.
If feels like some of you want to prove your loyalty to your chosen 'team' SO badly that you will literally claim every single other team is socialism just so you can boooooo it.
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14 Jul 2017, 4:49 pm
Biscuitman wrote:
Why are so many people pointing at anything that is not conservatism and shouting 'socialism!'?
1. Bait and switch tactics Take a left of centre idea you want to dismiss (bait) and then switch to calling it socialism so you can say it's the equivelent of a socialist country such as North Korea.
2. They like simple slogans and simple, catch all insults. Calling anything they don't like socialism over and over again is about the same as bleeting "four legs good, two legs bad"
When some of the more extreme alt righters act like all liberals are exaggerated SJW stereotypes, I wonder if they want to live in a single party system.
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15 Jul 2017, 1:28 am
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
248RPA wrote:
Every economic/political system looks great in theory. But they all suck when put in use.
Is this supposed to be deep? It isn't even shallow.
is this supposed to be a wisecrack? it isn't even original...
(j/k)
i think it means that political/economic systems look good on paper because they don't often take into account basic human nature and greed, which is a pretty big reason they suck in practice.
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13 Aug 2017, 1:15 pm
What Caused Venezuela’s Tragic Collapse? Socialism.
The collapse of Venezuela's economy is both horrifying and predictable, and the world needs to understand why.
Venezuela has the world's largest proven oil reserves, and it was once Latin America's richest country. Today, most grocery store shelves are empty, and Venezuelans are so hungry that they're killing zoo animals for sustenance. Toilet paper, diapers, and toothpaste are luxury goods. Venezuelan hospitals have disintegrated, children are dying because they can't get antibiotics, and the infant mortality rate is higher than Syria. The capital city of Caracas is the murder capital of the world, and just 12 percent of citizens feel safe walking alone at night, which is the lowest figure reported in the world.
The government blames slumping oil prices for the desperate situation. The real cause is the socialist economy. The government sets the price of staples such as rice, pasta, and flour, resulting in chronic shortages. Former President Hugo Chavez nationalized industries, confiscated property, and kicked out foreign companies. The government is trying to print its way out of the crisis, resulting in a 700 percent annual inflation rate. After a sham election, President Nicolas Maduro, the handpicked successor of Hugo Chavez, is rounding up his opponents and putting them in jail.
Despite this, Maduro and his predecessor still have their defenders, ranging from Sean Penn to Michael Moore to Naomi Klein, who once signed a petition saying "We would vote for Hugo Chavez" and praised the autocrat in 2007 for creating "a zone of relative economic calm and predictability." In 2013, journalist David Sirota praised Hugo Chavez' "economic miracle," writing that the socialist leader had a "record that a legacy-obsessed American president could only dream of achieving.
The real lesson of Venezuela's tragic collapse is that real socialism always leads to economic breakdown and political repression. Those of us in wealthier, freer countries need to keep Venezuela in mind as we confront calls for more regulation and government control of all aspects of our own lives.
As a proud socialist, trade unionist and member of the Labour Party who has lived under several socialist governments I just can't wait for the next election, god bless Jeremy Corbyn, thank got the next Labour government is only just round the corner.
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19 Aug 2017, 3:38 pm
Voxish wrote:
As a proud socialist, trade unionist and member of the Labour Party who has lived under several socialist governments I just can't wait for the next election, god bless Jeremy Corbyn, thank got the next Labour government is only just round the corner.
Which ones?
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