my parents wanna vote trump

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+1. As a person with NLD, I find it refreshing when someone is a loudmouth.



Chicago politics. Politics is a game but there's a difference between being shrewd and being conniving. I'll take shrewd. Shrewd is sometimes a person that will make a deal or a contract and than back out of it because you have leverage and you try to still get a lower price than what you agreed to. Cunning is where you get a lower price by means of trickery and deceit. It's where you attempt to ruin someone's reputation. This is not cool and not something we need! Cunning is illegal whereas shrewd is legal and done with both party's permission.



Trump's bullying other opponents like Cruz, Bush, and Megan Kelly didn't appeal to me. But I love his rough around the edges that comes along with that baggage. That rough around the edges approach but I'll also give you a hand when in need are New York values. If he could have still been as direct like "I will build that wall" without resorting to demeaning people, he would have already won this race. People have contempt for those that bully other people; it's not acceptable. That said, it's just part of the baggage of being such a direct politician and I'll take it.



Sounds like what we had under Obama the last 8 years. The Affordable Care Act needs to go and we as a country need to reflect on our values over the last 50 years and make some tough choices as to what we really want.

To comment on the Patriot Act: we were in a time of war when individual civil liberties be dammed. But Obama had every opportunity with 60 senators to remove the Patriot Act. Also, I do think that Obama has killed more terrorists than other presidents even Bush. Gun sales with Obama have gone thru the roof - he might as well have invested in them.

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It's demonstrably false that the government can't do anything to fix inequalities, the Civil Rights Act and various others is proof.

Yes, the rich also donate to Democrats, but for some reason, they are more independent of their donations. They even acknowledge that campaign reform is needed to end all such private donations! Republicans are happy with the way things are.

"Low expectations of blacks" is racist doublespeak.
"School choice" is likewise doublespeak for taking money away from schools that need it most to finance private schools. This is because Republicans want to eliminate the public schools entirely, education is a threat to their power.

Saying that non-traditional families are acceptable doesn't create non-traditional families, those families already exist, and we support them. Democrats support comprehensive sex education, because nothing else works. That can be proven.

Abortion rights, far from being any kind of scourge, actually lead to increased prosperity. When women can make their own choices, society benefits. Just look at any place that outlaws abortion and see the misery it causes. This can also be proven.

Let them. It is their right to vote for who they choose every bit as much as it is your right to vote for the presidential candidate from Mars, if that would be your choice.

As for any presidential candidate being a proponent or opponent of autism programs and services. Almost ALL the programs and services which exist already under congressional acts will continue to exist under a Trump administration. A few programs and services which exist already under administrative acts might be changed. But, I doubt Trump will do anything which would appear to jeopardize helping people with disabilities. Trump himself, is a lot of things, but he has his hands full with much more pressing matters than targeting people with disabilities. Besides, as Reagan learned, many of the president's own appointees end up disagreeing with the president when it comes to administering federal agencies.

The president is constitutionally weaker than the Congress and its constitutional agencies.

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Make coffey great again !

You can help make sure people are treated equally per the Civil Rights Act.

quote="AspE"]"Low expectations of blacks" is racist doublespeak. [/quote]

Unfortunately, people do have the soft bigotry of low expectations. It's really sad.

Abortion may seem like a necessary evil in a society that doesn't value waiting to get what they want. Yes, there is misery in countries that don't allow abortion because many kids wind up in orphanages or by the side of the road if not adopted. I happened to wait till marriage but most people who have peer pressure can't and that's why safe-sex is taught. If you change the values of the culture, abortion becomes less and less necessary - if you can change what people value. In my Christian group, having sex is not encouraged but it's a lot harder when peer pressure encourages people to cheaply give up their virginity. And if you are going to be against abortion, I disagree with some of my conservative friends because I think it means that you have to help the mom if she keeps the child or give her professional help if she decides to put her child up for adoption to make sure her physical and emotional needs are met.

And I agree, it's the Congress that writes the laws not the President.

Christian sexual morality denies human nature. Wanting to have sex is often less about peer pressure and more about hormones. We evolved to become sexual active during puberty, that's what it's for. At least we can deal with that and make sure it's safe and doesn't lead to unwanted pregnancy. When you teach abstinence, you actually get more unwanted pregnancies and STDs, and there is data to support this.

And there was a whole thread (since closed) on the real soft bigotry of denying the need for government intervention to address discrimination. I understand acknowledging that racism still exists in many forms makes white people feel uncomfortable, and causes them to react with defensiveness, even claiming that efforts to fix the problem are racist! This is inevitably the product of ignorance.

You beat me to making that point. I am in full agreement,

The soft bigotry of low expectations is an evolution to the hard bigotry of "White Only" signs in the South. The Democrats have not changed - they are simply an addict that found a new way to get a fix. The Democrats destroyed the black family by creating housing projects in the 1980s, by encourage promiscuity, and by encouraging single parenthood as a perfectly acceptable way to raise a family, despite the fact that the lack of a father means a much higher rate of crime.

The only way people can increase their standing is to raise the importance of the family in our society. Without the nuclear family, we just don't have an ideal setting for the raising of children and value setting. Somethings are just better done with a mom and a dad. And I wish that people really could hold off to marriage because having one person you have sex with is ideal for kids to have stable strong families. Even if poor, it creates the foundation for getting out of poverty. People should be taught to carry condoms even if they intend to remain abstinent. You do never know!

Also, there is a lot of unemployment in certain neighborhoods. Single parents live in apartments and those are not necessarily as quiet for studying as a house. A mom that has to work 2 jobs is less likely to be able to stay involved with the kids homework that can result in good grades. City schools are more dependent on state and federal funding than wealthier schools that can rely more on property taxes. We need to find a way to bridge this gap so we can end generational poverty. We shouldn't have neighborhoods where gangs run wild and that the graduation rate is lower than the amount in prison. And we really need to have school choice to allow students to not have to go with failing schools with teachers that literally couldn't get a job anywhere else. We need to reduce this economic discrimination of keep sending kids to failing schools.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... ca/279203/

I agree with you in our criminal justice system, there definitely is racism. A person walks into a store: a white person is assumed that they are there to buy but a black person is assumed that they will steal. There is a concept of driving while black. And those that are poor are more likely to be asked to take a plea deal rather than having an attorney that tries to find a loophole or tries to punch holes in the prosecutions case.

I didn't write the double speak quote.
As for the charges that Democrats intentionally trapped blacks in poverty with social programs is doubly a myth. If there is a downside to social programs for blacks, it was unintentional. And the fact is, it's completely untrue that all blacks, or even most, live in dire poverty, and are enslaved by poverty producing social programs. In fact, many poor people have been brought into the middle class by such programs. And it's hardly a case of promiscuity, drug use, and violence being restricted to poor blacks. You'll find the exact same kind of social ills among Scots-Irish in Appalachia, and the rest of the south. The only difference is, most black Americans haven't fallen victim to the conservative demagogues who get the poor to vote against their economic interests with the politics of "us against them."

My parents want to vote Trump too and I AM GOING TO JOIN THEM AT THE POLLS LOL

Seriously though, Trump is horrible but Hillary isn't prefect actually. They both suck and the way I see it, I would rather America go down with a wall over open borders. They are kind of extremist in the opposite directions, I can see taking people in but not without some kind of filter and I can also see a wall but I think we need to be sane when it comes to immigration. There seems to be a lack of common sense on both their parts which is disappointing giving their positions.

At least we go down in a blaze of glory with Donald Trump,

That is the important thing to do--show up and vote! While they may not know who you voted for, they can certainly figure out what demographics they need to appeal to based on who shows up at the polls. If your demographic doesn't vote they know they don't need to pay attention to your needs.

You're being insane. What's the problem with illegal immigrants? Besides the fact that they are illegal?

Whats the problem with illegal murders? Besides the fact that its a crime?

So you think you're going to end murder? American citizens never murdered anyone?

That was not my point no,

My point is that illegal immigrants are committing a crime and when you commit a crime you deal with the consequences. Deporting illegals is not cruel when they should have never been here in the first place. I am completely fine with legal immigration and even with Syrian refugees so long as we can prove they have not been radicalized. I didn't say we needed no immigration, I said we needed a filter. The lesser of the two evils in my mind is to build a wall but I don't see America lasting either way. With open borders we fall from the inside and with a wall we alienate the world and possibly cause a war.

So America is falling because occasionally an illegal immigrant commits a crime?