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23 Sep 2016, 1:37 pm

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What do you think that this token gifting will do exactly?

I'm not sure what you mean by token gifting. Obviously setting up reserves for African Americans is a ridiculous idea. What about a national stat holiday like "Slavery Remembrance Day?"



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23 Sep 2016, 2:20 pm

The left wingers love slavery, because when everyone is a slave then they can have full control.

I know socialist people say that the best government is 100% taxation, because people are stupid, and spend their money stupidly, what is needed is a government that makes all the decisions for you.

In the US, we have "tax freedom day" that reminds us of this. This is the day of the year when we are free of government taxes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day

However, it's getting later and later, so the anti-freedom/pro-slavery camp is winning.



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23 Sep 2016, 2:23 pm

androbot01 wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
What do you think that this token gifting will do exactly?

I'm not sure what you mean by token gifting. Obviously setting up reserves for African Americans is a ridiculous idea. What about a national stat holiday like "Slavery Remembrance Day?"

Have you heard of black history month? It is something that school participate in. It is more than a just one day.

Unfortunately there is a lot of unchallenged theory and identity politics being taught in schools an universities which stokes division.

I want history to be taught as a whole.

For instance the forced labour and sexual slavery the Japanese forced on their Asian colonies in WWII. The Japanese and other nations give far less acknowledgement for their dark history than many western nations do. Yet at the same time, I don't want the nations that were affected to wallow in self-pity. Thankfully that is not the case, with the possible exception of North Korea, but that is mainly becuase they need to remain in a war state to justify their policies an brutal isolated conditions.

We also need to learn about indentured labour such as the Chinese and Indian who were sent to the Americas. In the US especially building the railways. Often used to for dangerous jobs like setting explosives.

We need to learn about slavery in North Africa and Arabia. For instance did you know that Arabs would castrate their African slaves so they didn't breed? We need to learn about slavery in sub-Subsharan Africa, and the connection between whose networks and the transatlantic trade. We need a full history of all the European nations involved, such as Britain, Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands , etc as well as the internal trade in the US which at it height easily rivaled the transatlantic trade. We need to look at slavery throughout history, such as the Ottoman Empire.

The word slave is derived from slav. East Europeans were forced into slavery in the middle ages.



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23 Sep 2016, 2:40 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
The left wingers love slavery, because when everyone is a slave then they can have full control.

I'm not sure what you are saying.

0_equals_true wrote:
Have you heard of black history month? It is something that school participate in.

That's not really the same thing. There's months for everything, including autism.

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We also need to learn about indentured labour such as the Chinese and Indian who were sent to the Americas. In the US especially building the railways. Often used to for dangerous jobs like setting explosives.

The Chinese were treated terribly in Canada too.



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23 Sep 2016, 2:55 pm

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Have you heard of black history month? It is something that school participate in.

That's not really the same thing. There's months for everything, including autism.


It is a much better idea than a slavery remembrance day. Also unlike autism month this has much more recognition, and educational programs.

However what is taught in schools need to be well rounded.



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23 Sep 2016, 2:57 pm

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The left wingers love slavery, because when everyone is a slave then they can have full control.

I'm not sure what you are saying.


Many right-wing groups want a "slave remembrance day", because their principal argument is that taxation is slavery.

The left wing groups will see this as right-wing propaganda.

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23 Sep 2016, 3:17 pm

androbot01 wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
What do you think that this token gifting will do exactly?

I'm not sure what you mean by token gifting. Obviously setting up reserves for African Americans is a ridiculous idea. What about a national stat holiday like "Slavery Remembrance Day?"

Well... the day of the Emancipation Proclamation is actually *already* a Federal Holiday in the US...

... since Lincoln made the proclamation on January 1 (New Year's Day)...



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23 Sep 2016, 3:30 pm

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It is a much better idea than a slavery remembrance day.

No it isn't. A paid holiday is much more significant.

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Many right-wing groups want a "slave remembrance day", because their principal argument is that taxation is slavery.

The left wing groups will see this as right-wing propaganda.

Ah, I get it. I love taxation. It has paid for my healthcare and the infrastructure of the city I live in.

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... since Lincoln made the proclamation on January 1 (New Year's Day)...


I'm not sure it matters much what date it is on.



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23 Sep 2016, 3:44 pm

androbot01 wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
It is a much better idea than a slavery remembrance day.

No it isn't. A paid holiday is much more significant


Very little will be learned on a paid holiday. it would just be another bank holiday.



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23 Sep 2016, 4:12 pm

You'll be happy to see this then:

The Atlantic: How a Museum Reckons With Black Pain
The Smithsonian’s new memorial of African American history and culture is at once triumphant and crushing.


CBS: Obama: African American museum to be 'point of pride' for US

Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says the Smithsonian's new African American history museum will be a "point of pride" for the nation.

Obama says that beyond slavery and the civil rights movement, the museum shows how much African Americans contributed to U.S. culture, music, sports and film. He tells ABC's "Good Morning America" in an interview broadcast Friday that the museum will "end up being a museum for all Americans."



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23 Sep 2016, 4:18 pm

It's important to remember both atrocities so we can learn from them, but also so we can better understand why our world is the way it is today. The trans-Atlantic slave trade serves as a strong example of exploitation, when you subjugate people to a wretched state where their individuality is not recognized. It's horrific and it's extreme, but it isn't unique. Today there are still classes of people who face similar subjugation - in the most literal sense, the dark moores of Mauritania, rural India's dalit caste, and North Korean laborers based in Russia. But in a more widespread sense, there are examples of people forced to do labor they don't see the fruits of, often because of extreme poverty.

Likewise, the holocaust is not as unique as we like to think. It serves as an example of what happens when nationalistic divisions lead us to care less for the plight of others. It shows what that can lead to: genocide. But in a more abstract sense, consider what it says about how we feel about people overseas. I'm not against military action in Syria. In fact, I lean slightly for it. But many of Russia's attacks on the Islamic State have massacred mainly, and in some cases exclusively, civilians. Yet we seem callous to it because in our minds it's a necessary evil as we go after the bad guys - we don't empathize with the local population who themselves are the main victims of ISIL. To make the comparison even more deliberate, during the holocaust the United States is remembered for turning away many Jewish would-be refugees because of anti-immigrant and antisemitic sentiment, sending Jews to their deaths back in fascist Europe. We see the same thing happening now with Syrian refugees.



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24 Sep 2016, 12:26 am

I think about the holocaust almost every day because that period of history is something I am infinitely drawn to, I get very depressed about slavery but the holocaust is one of my main focuses.



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24 Sep 2016, 11:47 am

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I saw a guy on CNN today arguing quite passionately that slavery is a horror that should be remembered like the Holocaust, not buried under the carpet. I kinda agree with him. I have heard people say that slavery is too far in the past to be considered today, but I'm not so sure. If my great-grandparents had been slaves to people that I live with now, I might feel resentment. Perhaps society should make more of a deal of apologizing for slavery, like people have memorials about the Holocaust.

Any thoughts on this?


Slavery is alive and unwell in the 21 st century. Most of the slavery now is sexual slavery and is practiced largely by people from the Islamic domains...


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24 Sep 2016, 12:04 pm

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practiced largely by people from the Islamic domains...

I was with you until this part. It is true that human trafficking is really bad across a lot of the MENA (Middle East & North Africa) region, but it's misleading to imply it's a problem of the Islamic world because at this point human trafficking is pretty much just as bad in a number of Christian, Buddhist, and secular countries, notably China, Russia, North Korea, Ukraine, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, and Thailand. If anything, the common theme among these countries is heavy state oppression. That kind of oppression can have Islamic roots, but it can also be fueled by many other things.